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Compfag Thread: Former Kings Edition

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 01:20:47 No.52322675 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52323591 >>52323845 >>52324557 >>52324957 >>52326378 >>52326412 >>52326647 >>52334916 >>52340903

>Gen IV
>So brutally strong it had to be banned to Ubers
>Gen IX
>Glorified hazard stacking faggot
How did we fall so far chompbros
>ou news
Houndstone, Flutter Mane banned
>natdex news
Palafin, KB, Roaring Moon, Flutter Mane, Genesect, Deoxys-S, Houdstone, Naganadel banned
get in here

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 02:09:41 No.52323528 Report

Quoted By: >>52325071 >>52331262

chomp was banned because of sand veil ban, niot because he was inherently busted

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 02:13:32 No.52323591 Report

Quoted By: >>52351833 >>52351847

>>52322675
Sounds like a cope to me, Chompy is still on a never broken OU streak even without DD and without Scale Shot

DLC move tutor should give back Scale Shot at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 02:16:50 No.52323652 Report

Quoted By: >>52347664

I'm surprised Chomp is still decent with the Weasel in the room. Also RIP Dragon Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 02:18:41 No.52323686 Report

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Chomp with DD would be >= Baxcalibur and Dragapult in SV OU

they fear Chomp with a DD

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 02:26:16 No.52323845 Report

Quoted By: >>52324393 >>52324464 >>52347664

>>52322675
What would it take for chomp to actually drop from OU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 02:54:46 No.52324363 Report

Quoted By: >>52341130

>revival blessing smeargle will soon enter the natdex AG meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 02:56:38 No.52324393 Report

Quoted By: >>52328321

>>52323845
The way speed creep is going? Another generation.
Even fucking Pawmot outspeeds it now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:01:26 No.52324464 Report

Quoted By: >>52349483

>>52323845
Giving Chomp spikes basically guarantees it never will
Rapid Spinners take damage removing the spikes from Rough Skin, most defoggers aren't going to enjoy taking hits from Garchomp
No spiker has a spread as great as chomp, not even Deoxys-S, and spikes basically mean Mew or Deoxys-D aren't going to be used ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:01:36 No.52324468 Report

Quoted By: >>52324536 >>52324629

so anyone uses Baxcalibur?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:03:33 No.52324497 Report

Quoted By:

Meta is still chaotic but welcome back Dracovish

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-1720521468-i06venjvq5gr2wbnebo1akl6txyc19lpw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:06:02 No.52324536 Report

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>>52324468
Yes, run Freeze Dry in case you face an unaware Quagsire or a Swampert without having set up first

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:07:36 No.52324557 Report

Quoted By: >>52324616 >>52324636

>>52322675
>Genesect, Deoxys-S, Naganadel banned
Why do these faggots keep trying to test these Pokemon? 5 whole gens and you’d think that Genesect would just be a Perma Uber by now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:11:00 No.52324616 Report

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>>52324557
Natdex dropped Blaziken, Deoxys-D in Gen 8 and Mega Blaziken is free in Gen 9 OU
Zamazenta-Crowned is also roaming natdex and isn't used because it's shit, even Hoopa-U is more common
I think it's reasonable to think that at some point Genesect and Deoxys-S will be bad enough to get unbanned, especially given how GF is giving everything minmax stats now. First the UBs, then the Galar legendaries, and now the Paradox mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:11:17 No.52324618 Report

Quoted By: >>52324696 >>52326155 >>52347714

You ever think we're reaching a point where there needs to be a tier in between OU and ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:11:46 No.52324629 Report

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>>52324468
I tried running a ddance set, it's alright

Baxcalibur @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Thermal Exchange
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Icicle Spear
- Glaive Rush
- Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:12:28 No.52324636 Report

Quoted By: >>52324745

>>52324557
GameFreak nuked movepools for the first time ever in SWSH and SV, the problem is natdex ignores this so Genesect is at full power
Perfectly reasonable to think that if Genesect lost coverage in ANY way, it would be allowed in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:15:23 No.52324696 Report

Quoted By: >>52324900

>>52324618
OU singles needs to rely on defensive cores to prevent the game centralizing around suicide leads HO. Mons that overwhelm these cores while limiting other play styles have no place in OU and likely don't have a place in Ubers either, since they're not strong enough to hurt the cores there like Primal Groudon or Lunala.
I think if we saw an increase in defensive mon BST we could see more Ubers mons drop into OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:18:34 No.52324745 Report

Quoted By: >>52349635

>>52324636
>GameFreak nuked movepools for the first time ever in SWSH
Yeah like taking away Rock Polish and Magnet Rise from Aurorus when then Pokémon never needed a nerf in the first place.

Don't worry because Incineror got Parting Shot to counter the Intimidate nerf and only popular Pokémon matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:27:30 No.52324900 Report

Quoted By: >>52325083

>>52324696
>OU singles needs to rely on defensive cores to prevent the game centralizing around suicide leads HO.
There is nothing inherently wrong with a hyper offense-focused meta. Stallfags are mentally ill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:30:39 No.52324957 Report

Quoted By: >>52325136

>>52322675
>Mega balziken is natdex ou now
>but a dead dog is too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:37:55 No.52325071 Report

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>>52323528
Normally evasion is just a gimmick that's banned for enjoyment reasons but what is essentially a permanent 20% evasion boost on what would otherwise still be a top 3 pokemon is actually busted

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:38:54 No.52325083 Report

Quoted By: >>52325216 >>52326108

>>52324900
Nobody mentioned stall, why did you?
Lando-Heatran-Corviknight are bulky defensive cores you don't see on stall usually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:41:12 No.52325136 Report

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>>52324957
Normal Blaziken is actually better if it gets any setup chance, since you can use a Z-Move on it instead and that works way better in a HO meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 03:46:03 No.52325216 Report

Quoted By: >>52335826

>>52325083
Anything bulkier than Deoxys-A is stall, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 04:16:10 No.52325692 Report

Quoted By: >>52349635

Should I go Timid or Bold for bulky lead Glimmora?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 04:17:33 No.52325708 Report

Quoted By: >>52326420

Why did Ceruledge and Tapu Fini outspeed under sticky web?
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-1720624573

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 04:44:14 No.52326086 Report

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Whats a good team for doubles? Using only pokemon in Paldaea dex now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 04:46:27 No.52326108 Report

Quoted By:

>>52325083
>corviknight
>not a stallmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 04:50:15 No.52326155 Report

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>>52324618
No, it's no different than trying to make BL a tier between OU and UU, the banlist should be treated as such instead of a playable tier. The dexcut and powercreep are the real problem.s

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:02:09 No.52326315 Report

Quoted By: >>52327956 >>52331006 >>52349635

How is the pretzel dog?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:07:30 No.52326378 Report

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>>52322675
How influential are teratypes? haven't played much comp but was playing the game like a normalfag today and it said ice garchomp took away his 4x weakness and i was like woah yeah you right but would you ACTUALLY even do that like ever? should you just keep their teratype as one of their original types except for like electric for corviknight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:07:51 No.52326380 Report

Quoted By: >>52327956

The autists running monotype up and banned tera outright while americans were busy with thanksgiving.
on one hand they had it restricted to the shared type (which was an asinine decision to begin with) so when everything is using it for super-stab instead of using it to un-fuck matchups (which would have been actually fun and "healthy" whatever the fuck that means) so the loss of it now isnt that relevant.
but on the other hand the real problem is they had it restricted like that in the first place because they're too far up their own anus to go "hey, flying SHOULDNT have to die to electric every time" and let the mechanic meant to allow a player to turn around bad matchups, to turn around bad matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:09:43 No.52326412 Report

Quoted By: >>52326530

>>52322675
>Palafin banned

You're fucking with me, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:09:59 No.52326420 Report

Quoted By: >>52326712

>>52325708
ceruledge is scarfed, it seems strange since the fini was also scarfed
also defensive lando is slower than a max speed fini
>melmetal
jfc what a monster
>252+ Atk Choice Band Iron Fist Melmetal Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 172+ Def Venusaur-Mega: 276-326 (75.8 - 89.5%) -- approx. 2HKO
terastal was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:17:41 No.52326530 Report

Quoted By: >>52330061 >>52341484

>>52326412
>Palafin's brute strength has lead it to become the subject of many discussions in National Dex. The immense power of Choice Band + Water Tera + Wave Crash is simply far too much for teams to handle defensively, with even checks like Toxapex being 2HKOd by a resisted move. Whilst it may seem like this isn't that much of a problem in this metagame, it's also worth noting that Palafin also monopolizes the offensive metagame, being able to revenge kill several neutral targets from full HP with Choice Band Jet Punch. Several players also experimented with Palafin rain, and this further amplifies Palafin's already insane power to ridiculous levels. Even the bulkiest Water resists like Dondozo are cleanly 3HKOd by Wave Crash, Additionally, sets like Bulk Up + Taunt can also make dealing with Palafin harder than anticipated, as the ability for Palafin to boost its Jet Punch beyond the power of Choice Band makes it several times harder to revenge kill, and Taunt makes up for matchups against bulkier water resists, such as Dondozo and immunities, such as Gastrodon. As a result, Palafin was voted to be banned from National Dex.
Unlike Ash-Greninja, Palafin has too much bulk and can also run setup sets. Ash-Gren was very reliant on its speed tier which matters less now that Zeraora, Dragapult and certain paradoxes exist in the tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:27:08 No.52326647 Report

Quoted By: >>52326775

>>52322675
I was thinking that maybe palafin would start to fall off a bit once people better at playing around it's need to switch out first, but being too strong in natdex might prove that wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:32:24 No.52326712 Report

Quoted By: >>52327956

>>52326420
Yeah, Gholdengo and Melmetal fuck over stall big time. Melmetal 2HKOs every stallmon except Skarmory, and Ghodengo walls a good chunk of stall as well. Basically only CM Blissey can beat it.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-1720640184-iqhmxr2j3rvgr1okprxuf9yu6skq733pw
Ideally everything should be paralyzed. Melmetal's parahax % is on par with Togekiss, except Togekiss isn't hitting you nearly as hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 05:37:48 No.52326775 Report

Quoted By: >>52327956

>>52326647
Misconception is that broken mons are less broken in natdex. It's the opposite. Since natdex has to handle multiple threats, it can't centralize around one oppressive Pokemon. That's why Zamazenta-Crowned was never tested in Gen 7 despite being weak enough for the tier to deal with it in many ways.
Gyarados is a great check to Palafin in natdex, but too much other broken shit like Iron Hands, Regieleki and Koko shit on Gyarados. The check isn't that splashable while Palafin literally is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 06:03:29 No.52327070 Report

Quoted By:

good resource for bss meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:27:51 No.52327907 Report

Quoted By: >>52327976 >>52349635

I just had an idea for a Noivern Infiltrator Normal Tera Type Boomburst spammer.
Anyone know how good that would go?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:34:16 No.52327956 Report

Quoted By:

>>52326315
Not OU, might find a place in PU once tiers settle.
>>52326380
>plays monotype
>complains about team preview
kys
>>52326712
Melmetal's main problem is it's too slow and secondary problem is DIB has too low PP. It also struggles with Flying-types and Levitators that are immune to webs.
Its best set imo is Gyro Ball/Acid Armor/Body Press/Discharge or Thunder Wave or Ice Beam or Toxic. With Toxic removed from OU Thunder Wave is all the more valuable. Sadly it doesn't learn Curse, which would be amazing on it.
>>52326775
Palafin is literally Ubers, 160 Attack with 60 BP STAB priority alongside 120 BP STAB and coverage alongside 100 speed is insane. It has good bulk, good defensive typing and can set up and taunt. Fucking crazy.
The 'downside' was easily figured out by players simply using it like Ash-Greninja, to nab a kill and switch out. Flip Turn was subbed for Wave Crash and suddenly the tier has a bleeding asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:36:33 No.52327976 Report

Quoted By: >>52328063

>>52327907
Try it anon, it sounds sick

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:48:04 No.52328060 Report

Quoted By: >>52328096

Why does Kingambit Disappoint me every fucking game
is it simply because I'm an ORASfag and Bisharp is top 5 in gen 6 OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:48:35 No.52328063 Report

Quoted By: >>52328087

>>52327976
I plan to once I find a good Noibat ingame.

I could see

Modest/Timid *You already outspeed most things anyways so modest may be better*
Life Orb/Choice Specs
252 Sp.Atk/Spd
Heat Wave
Boomburst
Shadow Ball
Air Slash/Hurricane/Super Fang.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:51:05 No.52328087 Report

Quoted By: >>52328121

>>52328063
wow Noivern is not as fast as I thought itd be

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:51:51 No.52328096 Report

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>>52328060
He should objectively be good, people have to find better sets for him.
You should run 144 speed on him to outspeed Corv and max atk adamant with rest on HP.
Also I heard supreme overlord was not implemented correctly on showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:53:35 No.52328121 Report

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>>52328087
Huh I expected that to be a smidgen faster too, but its still blazing past alot of the competition, especially if you have sticky web setup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:55:25 No.52328146 Report

Quoted By: >>52328169

>palafin, roaring moon, misdreavus are gone
Who is next?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 07:57:44 No.52328169 Report

Quoted By: >>52328200

>>52328146
That's just natdex though.
I think Dolphin and Cyclizard have to go. Potentially Iron Bundle and Anal-ape after that. The rest of the game is fixne.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:00:55 No.52328200 Report

Quoted By: >>52328228 >>52328918 >>52349635

>>52328169
Yea I can't wait for them to ban every good offensive unit to bring back the stall meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:04:25 No.52328228 Report

Quoted By: >>52328286

>>52328200
I mean, if you find it that amusing to be swept by whatever gets a sub from Cyclizard, go off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:07:32 No.52328255 Report

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>Skeledirge and Wo-Chien cover each others weaknesses beautifully, with only rock flying and dragon going unresisted

What would be a good team for ingame battling with these two at the centre? Bonus points if you can fit Garganacl in there, I've literally never done anything comp related but the fact that two of my faves seen to gel so well makes me want to try

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:11:09 No.52328286 Report

Quoted By: >>52328308 >>52328313

>>52328228
is it more amusing to stare at a toxapex for 70 billion turns while it alternates between Recover and Baneful Bunker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:13:24 No.52328308 Report

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>>52328286
If you haven't noticed, Toxapex is nowhere to be seen in the OU meta, because it's been gutted beyond repair with losing Scald and Knock.
Now it's easy setup bait and certain mons are so strong they can 2HKO pex with neutral or resisted hits anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:14:05 No.52328313 Report

Quoted By: >>52329144

>>52328286
At 8 PP for recovery and no fucking Scald, it's really a skill issue if you can't handle Pex anymore. She also gets slapped pretty hard by a lot of the new threats, and you can score a surprise kill on most tanks due to tera, which immediately turns the tide. Not sure what you're crying about, I think it's much more reasonable to navigate because you can beat stalls with most well-rounded compositions. Things like Cyclizard>Dnite or Palafin require pretty damn specific counters RN or it's a sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:14:37 No.52328321 Report

Quoted By: >>52328369

>>52324393
As someone who skipped a couple gens, It’s kinda fucked that 102 speed is just alright these days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:18:37 No.52328369 Report

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>>52328321
102 Speed is outright bad in natdex for an offensive Pokemon, Latios and Latias can boost their bulk immensely with Tera Electric without losing any offensive presence.
As sad before, Garchomp is awesome as a hazard stacker. Spikes/Rocks/EQ/flex with Rough Skin is great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:21:36 No.52328400 Report

Quoted By: >>52328445 >>52328893 >>52329121

the very second Palafin gets banned, you're gonna see Tera Water Barraskewda fuck assholes left and right
Rain Teams stay as braindead as they ever were

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:26:06 No.52328445 Report

Quoted By: >>52328531

>>52328400
>Tera Water Barraskewda
You mean Quaquaval. The duck is just Palafin but worse.
In national dex, there's Mega Swampert who is bulkier, faster, and almost as strong as Palafin in rain. However, Swampert doesn't know Wave Crash (yet).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 08:33:51 No.52328531 Report

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>>52328445
Nah, i'd rather fish over the shitty duck that eat shit and dies more often than not.
Its gimmick just isn't that good, it needs a turn to do much and it doesn't really have the bulk to pull it off. Its heavily predictable and overall just not good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:11:05 No.52328893 Report

Quoted By: >>52329088

>>52328400
>Rain Teams stay as braindead as they ever were
We have fast and strong freeze dry user in a tier where no pokemon resist both of its stabs. Not to mention HO is dominating the game and blow away anything that takes time to set up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:13:01 No.52328918 Report

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>>52328200
>the stall meta
Lmao retard you don't play the game do you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:20:06 No.52328992 Report

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when will the first SV OU usage pic be out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:29:49 No.52329088 Report

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>>52328893
is switching in really setting up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:32:44 No.52329110 Report

Quoted By:

Palafin under rain is broken as shit. FUCKING BAN IT ALREADY, THERE IS NO COUNTER

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:34:06 No.52329121 Report

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>>52328400
You dumbfuck PALAFIN IS WAY STRONGER THAN BARRA SHIT AND LESS FRAIL. ALSO THERE ARE PEOPLE RUNNING BOTH

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:36:28 No.52329144 Report

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>>52328313
Pex is dead, there are better options out there now.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:38:53 No.52329165 Report

Quoted By: >>52329189 >>52330090

>use tera dragon choice scpecs adaptaility dragalge in a trick room expecting to oneshot everything
>it doesn't one shot anything
either smogon has some fucked up damage calculations with tera or dragalge just suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:41:40 No.52329189 Report

Quoted By: >>52329256

>>52329165
>Dragon
Yes one shot everything huh? How the fuck you wanna get past fairy you moron?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:44:35 No.52329212 Report

Quoted By:

Assault Vest Scream Tail is such a "fall for it once" type of set

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:48:51 No.52329256 Report

Quoted By:

>>52329189
the question is about damage calculations you retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 09:56:19 No.52329320 Report

Quoted By: >>52349635

So assuming nothing else gets banned, what new mons will still be ou after the new toy syndrome wears out

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 10:02:13 No.52329379 Report

Quoted By: >>52329569

For being Bisharp 2.0, I sure am hearing nothing about him. Did the speed drop or giving Bisharp eviolite hurt its chances?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 10:22:11 No.52329569 Report

Quoted By:

>>52329379
Bisharp only has like 2% more bulk with Eviolute
the problem is that Bisharp tightcasted role isn't very good these days
it runs swords dance, Iron Head, Sucker Punch, filler. Powerful yes, but the lack of widespread intimidate and Defog makes it difficult to get a defiant boost, which is 1000% better than Supreme Overlord. Also no STAB Knock off will always be a shame.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 10:45:38 No.52329818 Report

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>Blessed with all this shit
>Still UU trash

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 11:08:35 No.52329998 Report

Quoted By: >>52348807

Almost any Ability is such a fun Metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 11:14:26 No.52330061 Report

Quoted By: >>52330094

>>52326530
>3hko with wave crash
>On don
>This is a complaint from the stallfags
Don literally can murder the dolphin with body press while it takes it's recoil

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 11:18:27 No.52330086 Report

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Gholdenchads won so hard
The current top 3 OU mons are Palafin, Donphan and Gholdengo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 11:19:03 No.52330090 Report

Quoted By: >>52330126

>>52329165
Does terra dragon stacks with adaptability? That has been one of my biggest question with this gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 11:19:39 No.52330094 Report

Quoted By: >>52330209

>>52330061
retard read
it says Toxapex

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 11:21:21 No.52330110 Report

Quoted By: >>52330764

Anyone here playing BSS? I’m wanted to make Annihilape and Clodsire work together so I paired them with Rotom-W for screens, but that leaves me a bit too vulnerable to fast psychic types

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 11:23:46 No.52330126 Report

Quoted By: >>52330655

>>52330090
It should be a 25% boost aka less than life orb, that's why anon didn't notice any changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 11:35:48 No.52330209 Report

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>>52330094
Reading is for gay people, you stinky homo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 12:17:51 No.52330615 Report

Quoted By: >>52330654 >>52331214 >>52331355 >>52331693 >>52347827

The OU Council will be voting to ban or keep these mons:
Palafin, Iron Bundle, Gholdengo, Annihilape (lul)

The acceleration towards bulky offense triple regenerator boots meta is beginning

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 12:21:47 No.52330654 Report

Quoted By:

>>52330615
>Annihilape
fucking kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 12:21:49 No.52330655 Report

Quoted By:

>>52330126
25% is so fucking good on offensive pokemon
Tera Water in Rain is a deadly offensive threat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 12:35:13 No.52330764 Report

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>>52330110
There aren't too many fast psychics currently in the game so i wouldn't be that worried about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 12:56:12 No.52330941 Report

Quoted By: >>52330956 >>52331352

>using tera on a Ghost type to get boosts with Curse instead
I'd imagine this would work. But would it be worth using tera like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 12:58:06 No.52330956 Report

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>>52330941
Golurkbros, it's time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:03:00 No.52331006 Report

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>>52326315
Shit tier but you can use it as a funny Koraidon hard counter in Ubers.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:12:49 No.52331101 Report

Quoted By: >>52331316

ehehehehhehe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:24:15 No.52331214 Report

Quoted By:

>>52330615
Gholdengo will survive, at least for now. It makes Corviknight bad at hazard control but it has a really rough time preventing the Donphan bros from doing their job since it cannot switch in at all even with Balloon. Toedscruel is also a funny option that can Spore it through Good as Gold but it barely does anything else.

But if we're being fully honest him staying won't prevent the meta from devolving into boots spam and if anything it will favor it due to hazard control being less effective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:29:12 No.52331262 Report

Quoted By:

>>52323528
It got banned because back then fags wanted a pokemon that is able to switch into Garchomp, survive it and kill it next turn. And there were none. Same reason Salamence was booted. Sand veil just made it even more egregious.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:34:15 No.52331316 Report

Quoted By: >>52331472

>>52331101
EHEHHE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:37:50 No.52331352 Report

Quoted By: >>52331394 >>52331433

here's a meme set i might throw at showderp inspired by >>52330941
GREGOR (Annihilape) @ Punching Glove
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rage Fist
- Drain Punch
- Gunk Shot/Earthquake
- Curse

the plan is to use it to bait in checks like gholdengo/other powerful ghosts, then go tera normal to tank them and change type for curse, set up boosts with curse, then go to town, i feel like EQ is probably better than gunk shot, and there's probably better options than punching glove for items (lum berry, leftovers), but it's a start

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:37:58 No.52331355 Report

Quoted By: >>52331371

>>52330615
I think Iron Bundle is OK in natdex
But Gholdengo, Palafin, rape ape and Iron Hands are bonkers
Iron Hands needs to get booted from natdex, the electric terrain teams are nasty shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:39:36 No.52331371 Report

Quoted By: >>52331456

>>52331355
>Iron Hands needs to get booted from natdex, the electric terrain teams are nasty shit
Isn't mostly every future Paradox nasty with Electric Terrain? Wouldn't it be simpler to just ban Tapu Koko in this case?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:41:40 No.52331394 Report

Quoted By:

>>52331352
on an extra note, it outspeeds uninvested gholdengo and OHKOs it with a curse boost 100 BP rage fist

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:44:25 No.52331420 Report

Quoted By: >>52331463

I've always been a Hariyamafag but Iron Hands is next level. I've never loved a Pokemon this much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:45:55 No.52331433 Report

Quoted By: >>52331444

>>52331352
The problem with this set is that there is no reason to use Curse over Bulk Up even with Tera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:47:15 No.52331444 Report

Quoted By:

>>52331433
wait it gets bulk up?
man i'm stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:47:34 No.52331449 Report

Quoted By:

The real Curse meme should be a non-ghost type with Curse tera-ing into a Ghost type.
This mon should have either regenerator or Recover to abuse it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:48:45 No.52331456 Report

Quoted By:

>>52331371
It isn't just Koko, because Regieleki can manually set up terrain and screens and I was seeing both on teams + Quark Drive

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:49:19 No.52331463 Report

Quoted By: >>52331523

>>52331420
Why did U-Turn heal?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:50:31 No.52331472 Report

Quoted By:

>>52331316
Shadow Shield Volcarona is so fun

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 13:56:43 No.52331523 Report

Quoted By: >>52331579

>>52331463
The next attack was going to be Drain Punch but the opponent disconnected and the game spazzed out.
I think the game does not handle Ally Switch particularly well either

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:01:48 No.52331579 Report

Quoted By:

>>52331523
though it's impossible for Drain Punch to have healed 168 HP from a level 50 Roaring Moon. Even with Max HP and a Big Root it wouldn't work. No idea what happened

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:13:11 No.52331693 Report

Quoted By:

>>52330615
see ya, dolphin!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:28:25 No.52331838 Report

Quoted By: >>52331879

supposing annihilape gets the boot, is there really no merit to primeape? it has a better speed tier, the attack is barely lower and eviolite being knocked off kickstarts RF while being a free BU/DP. overall it's quite obvious that it doesn't have a niche over the evo now, but I think it could see some fringe play

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:29:53 No.52331859 Report

Quoted By:

>tera ice choice scarf dazzling bruxish
it deals with more thank you'd think

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:31:41 No.52331879 Report

Quoted By: >>52331971

>>52331838
Losing STAB and the lower HP stat are big deals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:33:25 No.52331905 Report

Quoted By: >>52333786 >>52344199 >>52347865

Why not just ban Rage Fist instead of annihilape ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:39:31 No.52331971 Report

Quoted By: >>52331987

>>52331879
in terms of comparing it to its evo you're right, but I'm wondering whether if the latter and palafin were to be banned primeape would fill their niche of denying stall. you're still a bulky taunt+bu that fucks over slowbro, has alternative scaling to overcome unaware mons and isn't revenge killed easily

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:41:29 No.52331987 Report

Quoted By:

>>52331971
Annihilape can take a hit, while Primeape is much more weary about that. And its Rage Fist is always going to be 50% weaker unless you burn your Tera on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 14:59:46 No.52332274 Report

Quoted By: >>52332362

Is it ever a better choice to drop a single spike over stealth rocks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 15:06:05 No.52332362 Report

Quoted By:

>>52332274
I don't understand what your question is, but a single layer of Spikes does more damage to Steel, Ground and Fighting types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 16:44:24 No.52333786 Report

Quoted By: >>52334066 >>52334188

>>52331905
because its the signature move of Annihilape.
If rage fist is banned and another pokemon comes that doesnt use it as well, should that pokemon be unable to use rage fist? no

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:02:09 No.52334066 Report

Quoted By: >>52334151

>>52333786
>If rage fist is banned and another pokemon comes that doesnt use it as well, should that pokemon be unable to use rage fist? no
This is already the case, Primeape can learn it and Basculin can learn Last Respects too for that matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:06:59 No.52334151 Report

Quoted By: >>52334207

>>52334066
Basculin can't learn Last Respects, and Basculegion is unavailable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:09:11 No.52334188 Report

Quoted By: >>52334205

>>52333786
if a "healthy" metagane is one that promotes variety then it stands to reason that an easily isolated element should be removed first instead of the pokemon that could easily still run other sets. Instead however, smogon council members are too autistic to revise their policies in response to generational changes, because they have become too complacent and are not forced to answer to anyone in response to their shit. They are quite litterally gatekeeping competitive singles in the worst way possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:10:05 No.52334205 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334188
>Smogon council members
motherfucker just have a high ladder score and vote

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:10:10 No.52334207 Report

Quoted By: >>52334306

>>52334151
>Basculin can't learn Last Respects
The White Striped one can, Basculegion gets it as a egg move.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:12:07 No.52334239 Report

Quoted By: >>52334333

oh man AAA lets you be so creative

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:16:27 No.52334306 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334207
Is White Stripe available?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:17:43 No.52334333 Report

Quoted By: >>52334705

>>52334239
Earth Eater for A-Muk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:43:22 No.52334705 Report

Quoted By: >>52334734 >>52334830

>>52334333
he probably won't come to gen 9 anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:45:52 No.52334734 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334705
Alolan Muk is a Home transfer and will save OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:46:16 No.52334744 Report

Quoted By: >>52334862 >>52334889 >>52335354

how the fuck is annihilape "broken"
its really good but seems pretty healthy for the meta. sorry you don't get to spam your risk free u-turns anymore. is he banned because he gets rewarded off of switching into a 4x resisted move?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:50:50 No.52334830 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334705
It's already in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:52:24 No.52334862 Report

Quoted By: >>52334895

>>52334744
if it was like 120 Max it'd be great
350 max for any single hit is just obnoxious, it starts being good after just a single hit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:54:29 No.52334889 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334744
It's broken because it lingers between switches and gets ridiculously high. This gen just loves its no-drawback 200+BP moves before STAB or type effectiveness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:54:42 No.52334895 Report

Quoted By: >>52334906 >>52334915

>>52334862
oh noes! a ghost type with a decent physical STAB. ban NAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:55:29 No.52334906 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334895
350 power is way better than "decent"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:55:53 No.52334915 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334895
>100 BP after a single hit
>"decent"
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:55:54 No.52334916 Report

Quoted By: >>52334930

>>52322675
What is KB?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:56:30 No.52334930 Report

Quoted By:

>>52334916
Kyurem Black

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:58:15 No.52334958 Report

Quoted By: >>52334978

anihilape punishes you for spamming u-turn and using weak attacks.
stop using weak attacks. Git gud and learn to predict. but the OU council couldn't even predict which smogon admin will be exposed for pedophelia next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 17:59:11 No.52334978 Report

Quoted By: >>52335010

>>52334958
Predict what? Does every Pokemon need to carry a strong enough Flying, Psychic, or Ghost move to OHKO Annihilape?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:00:35 No.52335010 Report

Quoted By: >>52335029 >>52335601

>>52334978
no. stop fucking spamming u-turn everywhere when theres a powerful pokemon that feasts on retards spamming u-turn
actually fucking think for once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:01:25 No.52335029 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335010
It's not just U-Turn that powers up Rage Fist, dumpass.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:16:13 No.52335339 Report

Quoted By: >>52335377 >>52340007

First VGC team I've been having decent success with, thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:17:29 No.52335354 Report

Quoted By: >>52335726

>>52334744
It's not broken its just good and the council is beholden to the retards screeching in the threads so they have to do a superficial vote on the matter to appease them. just like real life lel
If they didn't ban Palafin or Roaring Moon on first pass by a pretty wide margin I doubt they'd ever give a single vote to the ape.
Nego on the other might be fucked until we get a single hazard remover that can threaten it out while it has balloon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:18:53 No.52335377 Report

Quoted By: >>52335460

>>52335339
How is Jumpluff working out for you? I run a Paradox heavy sun team and I’m thinking of swapping out the Maushold I have but never use for one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:23:19 No.52335460 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335377
Pretty decent, sometimes it just gets off a tailwind and dies but a lot of the time that's enough. I chose covert cloak over sash since it's going to outspeed pretty much everything and get a tailwind off anyways. If it lives, great, I can try to get off a sleep powder or buy my other pokemon a turn with rage powder.
It's possible there's something better, but it's definitely not the worst choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:31:05 No.52335601 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335010
Try actually fighting Annihilape for once and tell me how easy it is to not click a weak or resisted attack ever so that it doesn't get any boosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:39:15 No.52335726 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335354
>Nego on the other might be fucked until we get a single hazard remover that can threaten it out while it has balloon.
We already have two, they are called Great Tusk and Iron Treads with Knock Off.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:45:31 No.52335826 Report

Quoted By:

>>52325216
>Deoxys-A has 20 Base Defense and S. Def
Holy shit, 99.5% of the Dex is Stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:49:20 No.52335891 Report

Quoted By: >>52335981

What should I give my ceruledge? One of the choice stuff or something else? OU smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:53:57 No.52335981 Report

Quoted By: >>52336077

>>52335891
What are you trying to use it as for your team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 18:59:51 No.52336077 Report

Quoted By: >>52339860

>>52335981
It works like a physical chandelure right? Switch in for the flash fire and get some kills in I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 20:43:46 No.52338032 Report

Quoted By:

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/garchomp.3711218/

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:04:32 No.52338387 Report

Quoted By: >>52338579 >>52340429

1500 elo means i'm ok at the game right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:15:01 No.52338579 Report

Quoted By:

>>52338387
1700

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:18:02 No.52338637 Report

Quoted By:

What are shits to change

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 21:18:37 No.52338657 Report

Quoted By:

Looked up that Iron Thorns has the strongest Rock Blast. This any good?

Iron Thorns @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Rock Blast
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:06:46 No.52339569 Report

Quoted By: >>52339727

I love clodsire bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:11:03 No.52339636 Report

Quoted By: >>52339745 >>52339857 >>52339974

is appletun good in this one or nah
same question for salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:16:58 No.52339727 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339569
Imagine forfeiting when you still have a physical sweeper against clodsire

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:17:51 No.52339745 Report

Quoted By: >>52340003

>>52339636
Salamence isn't very good no.
It kinda stopped being good in Gen 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:26:08 No.52339857 Report

Quoted By: >>52340003

>>52339636
appletun has a bit of a niche thanks to the strong water types going around, apple acid is a pretty good tool that lets it win 1v1s against other setup monsters and whatever walls body press. the mons it predates on are most likely getting banned this week but the lack of toxic and phazers still benefits it.
mence's niche is definitely intimidate, it's one of the few mons with the full set of desirable defensive tools in the tier (recovery with roost, phazing with tail, good bulk with intimidate and threatens to do something back with very strong moves backed up by good offenses). as a DD abuser dragonite is preferred because of multiscale and espeed, but it's not like mence is strictly inferior even here. for once nite would suck dick for dual wingbeat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:26:24 No.52339860 Report

Quoted By: >>52345673

>>52336077
It still kinda depends on your team. If your hazard removal is spotty, Boots would be a very good item on it. It means that you can switch it in whenever you predict a fire move without worrying about rocks. If you really want to just blast through walls with the flash fire boost, though, go for choice band.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:33:03 No.52339974 Report

Quoted By: >>52340003

>>52339636
>appletun
Only decent grass mon in the game after Amoonguss gives it a niche for now.
>mence
Overshadowed hard by Moon and DNite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:34:34 No.52340003 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339745
>>52339857
>>52339974
thank you for your service I love you all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:34:50 No.52340007 Report

Quoted By:

>>52335339
>Bellibolt
How does this thing werk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 22:36:43 No.52340041 Report

Quoted By: >>52340516

Is Snow viable in doubles?

I really like setting up Aurora veil but Slowking taking a turn to set it up seems rough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:02:02 No.52340429 Report

Quoted By: >>52340476

>>52338387
What’s the average on /vp/? Specifically in this general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:05:12 No.52340476 Report

Quoted By: >>52340694

>>52340429
1089

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:07:39 No.52340516 Report

Quoted By:

>>52340041
Its viable. Abomasnow himself learns aurora veil now and the def boost should make his physically tanky despite dogshit typing.
Iron bundle learns veil too if you want a fast setter and he has 115 def for some reason for massive defense in hail

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:18:42 No.52340694 Report

Quoted By:

>>52340476
Maybe. I peaked at 1400 in gen 6 OU around a month after ORAS dropped, which isn’t that good to be honest like i wouldn’t be surprised if 1300-1500 is just the “casual competitive” zone.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:30:33 No.52340903 Report

Quoted By: >>52341010

>>52322675
I just found out that not only does Punching Glove only boost punching moves by 10% instead of 50%, but it also doesn’t stack with Iron Fist. This has killed my idea of ultra Mach Punch Pawmot, but I still want to use her. Is there another build that’s good? I saw some people saying Double Shock Electric Tera is good, is it really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:36:57 No.52341010 Report

Quoted By: >>52341115

>>52340903
According to what I've last read on Smogon, it does stack but it's still only 10%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:38:41 No.52341045 Report

Quoted By: >>52341121

I've never been into competitive Pokemon before. Should I study up on VGC format or whatever the Smogon stuff is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:41:01 No.52341084 Report

Quoted By:

https://pokepast.es/1599b6f5bb1a40ac

heres a rain team that doesnt use palafin or iron bundle. got to 1500 with this.
iron jugulis' fourth move can be changed to something else if you want like another coverage move.
kilowattrel is based
tera fire tatsugiri is a counter to iron bundle, just dont switch in on freeze dry before the tera. also owns gholdengo if it try to spinblock you.
tinkaton is a good utility mon, good for switching in on freeze drys and dragapults.
barraskewda is your standard swift swimmer in rain. ghost tera to check ekiller dnite because thats the only thing you can do to not autolose. in hindsight, you can prob make iron jugulis tera ghost which would make more sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:42:35 No.52341115 Report

Quoted By:

>>52341010
So would it be worth it to go Punching Glove Iron Fist? I guess that’s the same as a Life Orb without the recoil but that also means grinding for a Patch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:43:02 No.52341121 Report

Quoted By: >>52341151

>>52341045
What do you want to play:
>6v6 Singles
Smogon
>4v4 Doubles
VGC
>3v3 Singles
Japanese sites or Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:43:34 No.52341130 Report

Quoted By:

>>52324363
They're not going to program the move in anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:44:34 No.52341151 Report

Quoted By: >>52341323

>>52341121
I know nothing about the intricacies of the different formats and how they play. Are any a better starting spot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2022 23:56:03 No.52341323 Report

Quoted By:

>>52341151
Experience is the best teacher, just pick one and start playing, it's the start of the gen so everyone is messing around trying to figure out what works. Do what everyone else does: whenever something beats you either copy it or figure out how to counter it. Smogon's mainly played on Pokemon Showdown and while you can play the other formats there, the other formats are bigger on the cart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 00:04:10 No.52341484 Report

Quoted By:

>>52326530
how can people type words like "monopolizes the offensive metagame" about the weakest ladder on showdown where anyone outside the top 10 is pretty much only using samples or meme teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 00:32:59 No.52342065 Report

Quoted By: >>52342103

I'm trying a trick room team with arboliva/dirge/king/nacl/gambit, who do I put for last in order not to get destroyed by chienpao?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 00:34:36 No.52342103 Report

Quoted By: >>52342196

>>52342065
Iron Hands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 00:38:05 No.52342196 Report

Quoted By:

>>52342103
sold, it looks like a good tr abuser too
I'm worried about only having 1 setter but I'll have to make do unless I want to use klefki

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 00:54:51 No.52342554 Report

Quoted By: >>52344419

The smogon council is trying to hard to deviate from the HO meta to the point they going to ban every new pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:36:16 No.52343317 Report

Quoted By: >>52343723 >>52344192

What's the value of the "X of Ruin" abilities?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 01:57:10 No.52343723 Report

Quoted By: >>52344192

>>52343317
Clowning on doubles
Letting Chi Yu and Chien Pao kill things they have no right in killing
Letting Wo Chien and Ting Lu live shit they have no right living (took less than half from a Flutter Mane moonblast with Ting today)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:23:04 No.52344192 Report

Quoted By: >>52344215

>>52343723
>>52343317
Sorry I asked in a retarded way. How much do they lower the respective stats by?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:23:32 No.52344199 Report

Quoted By:

>>52331905
Annihilate is pretty strong even without Rage Fist. Ghost/Fighting is an insane typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:24:21 No.52344215 Report

Quoted By:

>>52344192
Oh its 25% of the base stat. Says it right there on showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:33:06 No.52344378 Report

Quoted By: >>52344615 >>52344939

>Battle Bus (Orthworm) @ Leftovers
Ability: Earth Eater
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Shed Tail
- Rest
- Body Press
- Heavy Slam
Is this worth using over Cyclizar? It pretty much guarantees a free turn for my set up sweeper after i switch this in when i have my hazards up, and or when im done removing my hazards.
Slapping moves is easy for me to understand, while the evs really arent besides unga bunga shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:35:41 No.52344419 Report

Quoted By:

>>52342554
Most of the mons are batshit insane even without considering terastal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 02:48:00 No.52344615 Report

Quoted By: >>52345121

>>52344378
Use sitrus berry to guarantee the sub from 100% no matter what, 1 good sub is enough to win games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:06:18 No.52344939 Report

Quoted By: >>52345121

>>52344378
252/252Def/4 filler Impish is a better spread as it walls Iron Treads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:17:58 No.52345121 Report

Quoted By: >>52345294

>>52344939
>>52344615
Huh, guess that makes sense, keeps it alive long enough to do its shit. This was the team I had in mind, but couldnt come up with the last mon. Maybe a cleaner or another set up sweeper in case i have the opportunity
>https://pokepast.es/9c246a502aef7d26

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:29:02 No.52345294 Report

Quoted By: >>52345369

>>52345121
Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Earthquake
- Body Press
- Rapid Spin
- Bulk Up
Fixed your Tusk, you could alternatively run 248 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe if you are more consistent in passing subs to it and can get 2+ bulk ups off. 252 Jolly matters for Tusk since at +1 it actually outspeeds threats. Last mon should be an offensive answer to Chien-Pao so Orthworm isn't your only option vs it, Scizor or Slither Wing come to mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:33:46 No.52345369 Report

Quoted By: >>52345622

>>52345294
Like so?
Larvesnuggie (Slither Wing) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- First Impression
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Leech Life
Seems weird running three booster energies but hey its better than three boots
nothin has odd number feet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:49:03 No.52345622 Report

Quoted By: >>52346001

>>52345369
Should have added Knock Off over rapid spin on Tusk as an option if you're facing a lot of opposing Glimmora+Gholdengo teams.
>Slither Wing
Slither Wing @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up / First Impression
- Morning Sun / Flame Charge / Flare Blitz / Earthquake
- Leech Life
- Close Combat
Don't have much experience with this guy but I'm not seeing what you outspeed with the investment so I'd opt for bulk instead.
>Seems weird running three booster energies
You're running a suicide lead hyper offense team that exploits shed tail, you need to blast through your opponent's team ASAP, the longer the game goes the less advantage you have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:52:10 No.52345673 Report

Quoted By:

>>52339860
Oh yeah boots could be good. Thanks anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 03:55:42 No.52345730 Report

Quoted By: >>52345843 >>52345928 >>52347987

It's hopeless to use Pincurching, isn't it?
Any luck with manual ET? Or are futuremons doomed to be itemsluts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:02:22 No.52345843 Report

Quoted By:

>>52345730
>Any luck with manual ET?
It's a waste of a precious moveslot just like rain dance was on rain mons in Gen4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:08:12 No.52345928 Report

Quoted By: >>52345947

>>52345730
>It's hopeless to use Pincurching, isn't it?
You can make ET work just need to be more creative.
More and more people found a way to use torkoal as an entry cleaner with grass tera while boosting Protomons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:10:06 No.52345947 Report

Quoted By:

>>52345928
Torkoal is already decent as a mon though(good movepool, focused stats). Pinchurchin was already pretty iffy when it had a nuke move.
It doesn't even have Rising Voltage anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:12:48 No.52345988 Report

Quoted By: >>52346081 >>52346142

What have you guys been using on BSS? Great Tusk has been winning me a lot of matches. I love dumpstering on toxapex with headlongrush+booster energy. I was thinking of swapping to a band for extra power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:14:01 No.52346001 Report

Quoted By: >>52346024 >>52346048 >>52346081

>>52345622
>Booster Energy
Genuinely, you should just use a Life Orb if you're doing it for damage. Losing your boost if you switch out is way too much of a cost, and the HP recoil is completely irrelevant in the current meta that defavors stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:15:21 No.52346024 Report

Quoted By: >>52346048

>>52346001
Oh yeah, and I even forgot that Protosynthesis is 1.3x damage rather than 1.5x.
Booster Energy on any stat other than speed is worthless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:16:44 No.52346048 Report

Quoted By:

>>52346001
>>52346024
And additionally, Booster Energy doesn't stack with weather boost, so you're potentially losing another 1.3x damage from ability if you don't go Life Orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:19:10 No.52346081 Report

Quoted By:

>>52345988
Either of the donphans are really good yeah. Glimmora hits like a truck and gives free setup, thats probably been my most successful mon thinking on it.

>>52346001
> and the HP recoil is completely irrelevant in the current meta that defavors stall.
Uh huh, its totally irrelevant to bring yourself into death range. Chip is still incredibly relevant in an aggressive meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:20:58 No.52346107 Report

Quoted By: >>52346281

Why can't I terastallize on showdown anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:23:27 No.52346142 Report

Quoted By: >>52346211

>>52345988
https://pokepast.es/5bc6d68e9a032ff0
Grimmsnarl Screens teams are probably better, but this puts in the work against anything lacking priority taunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:27:26 No.52346211 Report

Quoted By:

>>52346142
Grimmsnarl makes me upset and forces me to run a scizor.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:30:01 No.52346248 Report

Quoted By: >>52346481 >>52349635

Goodbye Palafin. You were able to kill their stall favourites, so you had to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:32:10 No.52346281 Report

Quoted By: >>52346331 >>52353820

>>52346107
just did this battle. You can tera on showdown
>https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1721658740
Just mad that people always know EXACTLY how to defeat my team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:35:48 No.52346331 Report

Quoted By: >>52346370

>>52346281
You fucked up by teraing Moon infront of a dark mon that was spamming sucker punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:38:14 No.52346370 Report

Quoted By: >>52346515

>>52346331
I didnt have a sub up at all though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:46:02 No.52346481 Report

Quoted By:

>>52346248
If you think about it, isn't being banned to Uber just a testament to how GODLY PalaChad is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:48:05 No.52346515 Report

Quoted By:

>>52346370
Consider running 32 HP / 220 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe on Moon so you don't lose ditto speed ties.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:48:45 No.52346531 Report

Quoted By: >>52346590 >>52349651

How good is Scizor after losing out on roost and what are some good options for him now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:52:32 No.52346590 Report

Quoted By: >>52349651

>>52346531
cizor @ Life Orb / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Close Combat
- U-Turn
Tera steel Bullet Punch is the anti cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:55:08 No.52346623 Report

Quoted By: >>52346643 >>52346654 >>52346663 >>52349662

are there any viable special attackers other than gholdengo and skeledirge? i just want something that's decently fast and isn't weak to ghost

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:56:19 No.52346641 Report

Quoted By:

Where would Dudunsparce fall? Can teach the fucker everything and its pretty fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:56:25 No.52346643 Report

Quoted By:

>>52346623
Volcarona or Iron moth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:57:20 No.52346654 Report

Quoted By: >>52350029

>>52346623
Chi-Yu, Glimmora, Iron Valiant kinda. Iron Jugulis is perfectly fine; just not very exciting.
Iron Moth. And obviously there's a few in the returning mon pool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 04:58:05 No.52346663 Report

Quoted By: >>52350029

>>52346623
>Dragapult
>Magnezone
>Rotom
>Volcarona
>Chi-Yu
>Iron Jugulis
>Iron Moth
>Iron Valiant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 05:04:15 No.52346787 Report

Quoted By: >>52347076

am i the only one running punching glove on annihilape instead of lefties

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 05:22:48 No.52347076 Report

Quoted By:

>>52346787
What is the extra 10% damage beating? Is the damage boost that significant with Drain Punch that it out heals the other options? Lefties or Chesto Rest looks better because of all the hit you have to eat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:01:24 No.52347664 Report

Quoted By:

>>52323652
>>52323845
Garchomp has enough going for it that I don't think it'll ever stop being decent.
Not the top dog anymore, but always viable enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:04:02 No.52347714 Report

Quoted By: >>52347795

>>52324618
I think Smogon needs to accept that every gen's OU should be different.
Right now, it feels like they're judging the gen 9 mons by gen 8 standards.
The Smogon of today would quickban Rampardos and Haxorus if they were new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:08:24 No.52347795 Report

Quoted By: >>52348145 >>52348183

>>52347714
>shit retards that don't play say
All 6 of these bans are justified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:09:24 No.52347813 Report

Quoted By: >>52347863

>AIIIEEEEEEE!!!
>i-is that a pokemon that doesn't automatically lose to STALL????????
>TO UBERS WITH YOU! AG!!! OUT OF MY SIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:10:03 No.52347827 Report

Quoted By: >>52350029

>>52330615
Rape Ape is unironically healthy.
Overpowered, yes, but it's not a mon you can just send out like a retard and instantly win with, or a mon that actively punishes the opponent for playing well.
Rage Fist only does monstrous damage if your opponent lets it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:12:33 No.52347863 Report

Quoted By: >>52347885

>>52347813
>lose to STALL
Stall has been #1 on the ladder before any of the bans and after them. You don't play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:12:38 No.52347865 Report

Quoted By:

>>52331905
Smogon values consistency over common sense.
See the fact that they didn't want to ban Last Respects because they couldn't prove that the 300 BP move was the problem rather than the perfectly mediocre mon that gets it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:14:11 No.52347885 Report

Quoted By: >>52348010

>>52347863
>stall is #1 on the ladder
>in smogons world
>the sun also rose, in equally shocking news.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:16:06 No.52347913 Report

Quoted By:

RIP Palafin and Iron Bundle. Pretty sure half of my team is dead, haven't played much since like day 2 of Showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:21:42 No.52347987 Report

Quoted By:

>>52345730
Torkoal and Pincurchin are unironically bad in this meta.
Everyone is using the paradox mons. You'll be giving your opponent a boost as well.
Using Life Orb is a good idea if you're boosting an attacking stat so that you keep the boost after switching and so you can get a double boost if your opponent has Pincurchin or Torkoal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:23:06 No.52348010 Report

Quoted By: >>52348038

>>52347885
>before any of the bans
>anon can't read
>water is wet, in equally shocking news

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:23:13 No.52348011 Report

Quoted By: >>52348048

I don't care about this autistic Smogon banning onions shit. What are the broken mons people will be running in the actual game once comp comes out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:25:18 No.52348038 Report

Quoted By: >>52348107

>>52348010
if stall was #1 it wouldn't have been getting BTFO by a dolphin and a robotic penguin bad enough that they had to be quickbanned out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:26:19 No.52348048 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348011
Flutter Mane and Iron Bundle, neither require a turn of setup to unga bunga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:27:49 No.52348070 Report

Quoted By: >>52348130

Next is Weavile Sr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:29:34 No.52348098 Report

Quoted By:

>the max sp.def giga drain/energy ball Florges I was theorymonning to check/counter Iron Bundle is now defunct
Oh well. My tests of it seemed to have potential, but it’s still a serviceable wish passer. Shame it lost access to aromatherapy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:30:41 No.52348107 Report

Quoted By: >>52348125

>>52348038
Stall was the only playstyle that could run Dondozo/Slowbro/Alomomola/etc and Blissey to beat them, you'd know this if you actually played.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:31:58 No.52348125 Report

Quoted By: >>52348622

>>52348107
as if bundle didnt just freeze dry the first three while fin dominated the shit out of blissey

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:32:32 No.52348130 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348070
Chien Pao turned out to be not super broken because he lacks the high base power moves of weavile.

Chien's best ice move is effectively 110 power, Weavile's is 120
For Dark its 105 vs 97.5 but no item being knocked off

Once move tutor comes he gets banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:33:51 No.52348145 Report

Quoted By: >>52349196

>>52347795
We'll never know if they were justified because the meta never got to adapt.
That's the problem. Everyone is just using whatever has the biggest numbers.
Nobody understands this meta yet.
Imagine if Dracovish was banned in under a week before people even had a chance to start using Seismitoad. Even if that ban was ultimately the right decision, I fundamentally disagree with jumping the gun like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:36:55 No.52348183 Report

Quoted By:

>>52347795
>6 bans in under 2 weeks
>potentially going to ban tera
Yes, we are dealing with logical people here, and not histrionic autists who judge their own worth based upon their ELO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 06:50:58 No.52348338 Report

Quoted By:

Fuck mousehold

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:13:34 No.52348622 Report

Quoted By: >>52348747

>>52348125
>actually thinking all three of those water types are on the same team
play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:24:23 No.52348747 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348622
you've tried to shift the goalposts only to fuck yourself over. duh they're not all being run on one team but they're the only semi-reliable answers to the two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:29:50 No.52348807 Report

Quoted By:

>>52329998
A shame it doesn't let us give Huge Power to shitmons
Huge missed opportunity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:43:37 No.52348975 Report

Quoted By: >>52348989 >>52349269 >>52352128

shed tail screens is probably the most oppressive thing ive ever played against on multiple gens of OU
this shit is just almost impossible unless you bring your own HO (and hope you get a better matchup) or you play stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 07:44:44 No.52348989 Report

Quoted By: >>52349217

>>52348975
Brick Break is a thing
Phasing is a thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:01:34 No.52349196 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348145
I partially agree, but also I think having to use Toad on every team for 2 months straight despite being a total shitmon outside of answering Vish sucked ass, and Vish was still broken even with everybody running Toad. I feel Palafin is even worse because at least Vish HAD consistent answers. Palafin can theoretically beat any of its counters and you have no way of knowing until it comes in and hits you. Flutter Mane has the 3rd highest base speed in the tier, a pretty much perfect stat spread and out of this world coverage. Sure, I think they could have waited a little longer before booting them, but I think it would just be delaying the inevitable. I don't think the meta could have ever properly adapted to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:03:04 No.52349217 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348989
>brick break
yes i will use this really bad move that's only good for this one team archetype but be useless for everything else
>phasing
i thought /vp/ didn't like stall?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:07:40 No.52349269 Report

Quoted By:

>>52348975
You suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:10:27 No.52349306 Report

Quoted By: >>52349382

What /vp/ struggles to understand is that these super strong and fast breakers such as Iron Bundle force you to run fat Pokémon like Blissey because it's the only consistent answer. Or they just beat everything like Palafin and Flutter Mane so it doesn't matter either way.

You can see that in the ban announcement Chink-Pao, Roaring Moon and Goldman got a unanimous no ban vote so evidently they aren't against letting very strong things be for the time being. Just not unreasonably strong.

You

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:15:41 No.52349382 Report

Quoted By: >>52349462

>>52349306
>Muh /vp/ is soooo stupid
So why won't you stay on your smoggie forums

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:22:21 No.52349462 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349382
Not your safespace, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:24:22 No.52349483 Report

Quoted By:

>>52324464
This. They basically made Chomp into an Offensive Ferrothorn, this shit is sticking around forever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:28:42 No.52349526 Report

Quoted By: >>52349690

Just found an interesting set for Dragonite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8GM0Fa3Fi4

Makes me wonder how much Arcanine could benefit from T-Normal + Extreme Speed, while being helpful with it's Intimidate, and being faster than Dragonite. Sucks that it lost Burn Up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:43:15 No.52349635 Report

Quoted By:

Honestly people need to take a look at Tauros-Padea-Water. It doesn't get SD but between Intimidate, BU, Raging Bull, CC, and a 4th move of your choice between EQ/Trailblaze/Bulldoze/Tera Blast Fairy/etc, it's actually solid into a lot of shit

My spread for it rn is

Tauros-Paldea-Water @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bulk Up
- Raging Bull
- Close Combat
- Tera Blast

Not as strong as Quaquaval but it doesn't have to be

>>52324745
>Don't worry because Incineror got Parting Shot to counter the Intimidate nerf and only popular Pokémon matter
Didn't it get it last gen?
>>52325692
I like Timid because you always outspeed standard Great Tusk and can Mortal Spin on it.
>>52326315
Bad but it'll probably find a nice spot in a lower tier. Mono Fairy is a good defensive type, it gets some decent moves, and a Fire immunity on top of all that gives it some merit
>>52327907
Sounds like fun. Could also be fun to pair it with Specs Pult with Tera Ghost so you can base your Infiltrator Tera off whatever you're fighting.
>>52328200
>Stall meta
Fucking lmao, there hasn't been a legit stall meta anywhere since Mega Sableye ORAS. NAtdex last gen was an offensive shitshow with the occasional bulky team to bolster it
>>52329320
After these past two bans? At bare minumum these guys are sticking around, at least until suspects get under way

>Roaring Moon
>Chien Pao
>Gholdengo
>Glimmora
>Great Tusk
>Chi Yu
>Iron Valiant
>Iron Moth
>Iron Treads
>Cyclizar
>Dodonzo
>Clodsire
>>52346248
Stall was the only archetype that didn't get manhandled turn 1 by it, fuck Palafin. Now I can actually run fun shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:44:38 No.52349651 Report

Quoted By:

>>52346531
I'm personally a huge fan of this set at the moment

Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 228 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Tera Blast

+2 Life Orb Bullet Punch mulches almost everything in the game right now, and everything that survives that get mulched by either Close Combat or +2 Tera Electric Tera Blast. Dodonzo is a bitch though, so be careful

But the set >>52346590 suggested is also good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:45:39 No.52349662 Report

Quoted By: >>52350029

>>52346623
Tera Grass Iron Moth is really cool right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:47:42 No.52349690 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349526
Probably not as much because no Dragon DAnce or EQ to cover its weakpoints. Also no Multiscale to guarantee setup

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:47:58 No.52349691 Report

Quoted By: >>52349713 >>52349715 >>52352218

Tera still boosting the old STABs is really regrettable, if it didn't I feel nobody would talk about a ban right now. It was SO close to being well balanced but it is what it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:50:42 No.52349713 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349691
Agreed, but I still think Tera is easily the most interesting new mechanic since Megas and I think there's merit to keeping it around...for now. I do think that once the meta has calmed down significantly, a suspect wouldn't be a bad idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:51:05 No.52349715 Report

Quoted By:

>>52349691
Hell, even if you DID keep the old STAB but just didn't get Adaptability for Tera-ing into a type you already are, I feel like it wouldn't be as contentious as it is now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:20:21 No.52350029 Report

Quoted By: >>52350374 >>52355045

>>52346663
>>52346654
yeah i overlooked jugulis because
>108
but it does fulfill the role of fast specs attacker with a lot of coverage. also finally have an EQ switchin, which is nice

>>52349662
what does it do? just run specs and blow shit up? i swear everyone i see using moth on ladder wants to do some setup sweeper shit when it really doesn't have the stats for that

>>52347827
annihilape is just a retard check at this point. you can climb to like 1500 just by opening annihilape and clicking bulk up. it even works on people running annihilape!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:37:39 No.52350247 Report

Quoted By:

Grimmsnarl should be on the radar, with Parting Shot it's currently one of the most niggerish Pokémon imaginable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:50:09 No.52350374 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350029
this is by far the most retarded statement ive heard so far
fucking sub 1100 players and their retard opinions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:25:14 No.52350705 Report

Quoted By: >>52353679

Hey, so I suck shit at pokemon but I figured I'd try this game, what's a good set for farigarif doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:32:57 No.52350779 Report

Quoted By: >>52350923 >>52351161 >>52351620 >>52353779

Explain why do people think Smogon has a hard on for Toxapex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 10:52:46 No.52350923 Report

Quoted By: >>52351785

>>52350779
Because they are shitters that can't figure out how to beat a passive Pokémon without resorting to using ubers.

The typical argument is as follows
>they banned Galarian Darmanitan because it can beat almost the entire meta, both offensive and defensive (but especially the former if Scarf)
>does "the entire meta" include Toxapex?
>uh, yes?
>REEEEE FUCKING SMOGONNIGGERS TOXAPEX LOVING GROOMERS

The more embarrassing variant is when they seethe about Toxapex or stall when the banned subject (such as Cinderace) is soft-countered by it and thus would mandate a bigger presence of Pex in the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:23:48 No.52351161 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350779
They like games running for 400 turns so they can jerk off to them.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:50:18 No.52351454 Report

Quoted By: >>52353610

Volcarona is by far the most adaptable pokemon in AAA
it does not need an ability to perform it's essential function as a quiver dance sweeper with amazing coverage, so you can either choose to bolster it's offenses or grant it an immunity to give it value as a defensive pivot
I've given this thing Earth eater, Water Absorb, Magic Guard, Shadow Shield, even shit like Desolate land and Sunny day (though Iron Moth uses Desolate Land better)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:08:54 No.52351620 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350779
I don't get it either, especially because pex is well beyond saving in this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:15:51 No.52351657 Report

Quoted By: >>52351696

defensive gyarados has seen more play than pex this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:20:55 No.52351696 Report

Quoted By: >>52351766

>>52351657
smoggies are jonesing for their le 42% cat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:29:55 No.52351766 Report

Quoted By: >>52351791

>>52351696
Tusk, Treads and Garchomp are the Lando replacements (Tusk is currently #1 in usage) and honestly they mog him without transfer moves as well. Maybe this tired meme will finally die this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:31:40 No.52351785 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350923
Haven't even read this thread and just scrolled to the bottom but how many "they banned Palafin because it beats stall (when it actually makes offense fucking awful to load up)" takes have there been so far?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:32:10 No.52351791 Report

Quoted By:

>>52351766
/vp/ swings between "stallgon" and "omgon love HO" regularly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:35:51 No.52351833 Report

Quoted By: >>52351865

>>52323591
It's how I feel about Scyther this gen. With its new moves, the loss of its best STABs and the loss of Roost kinda crippled it from making it all the way to OU in what could've been its best Comp Generation. Especially since it has actually good coverage now, just a shame that it lost those moves in exchange, especially Roost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:37:29 No.52351847 Report

Quoted By: >>52351857 >>52351875

>>52323591
So is TTar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:38:35 No.52351857 Report

Quoted By:

>>52351847
ttar dropped to uu in gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:39:47 No.52351865 Report

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>>52351833
Dual Wingbeat is such a fun Technician move, and it was ripped away just as quick as it was added.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:40:48 No.52351875 Report

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>>52351847
nope, TTars OU streak was broken at least once (maybe more than once) in gen 8
It dropped out, then went back up

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:04:43 No.52352094 Report

Quoted By: >>52353491 >>52353537

What’s the best nature for Baxcalibur? Adamant or Jolly? It’s speed isn’t great and it gets DDance, not sure if it’ll be better to go full into attack or being a little faster.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:06:22 No.52352109 Report

Quoted By: >>52352164

I skipped gen 8 so I'm not used to dexcut metas, around when do we expect UU and other tiers to start popping up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:08:13 No.52352128 Report

Quoted By: >>52352259

>>52348975
Do what I do, the fuck-Cyclizar set

Meowsarada @ Heavy Duty Boots
Jolly 4 hp/252 atk/252 spd

Play Rough
Knock Off
Flower Gift
U turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:11:23 No.52352164 Report

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>>52352109
2 months at least for UU to come out of beta. other tiers faster than that after it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:17:25 No.52352218 Report

Quoted By: >>52353513

>>52349691
I think a Pokemon preventing a revenge-kill by switching into a completely different typing is probably more of a problem in the long run than pseudo-adaptability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:21:49 No.52352259 Report

Quoted By: >>52352532

>>52352128
What ability do you use on this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:45:46 No.52352481 Report

Quoted By: >>52352597

I fucking hate these bans

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:52:23 No.52352532 Report

Quoted By:

>>52352259
Protean.

You see Cyclizar on the opposite team, send out Meowscarada immediately and hit that bitch with Play Rough. Most opponents send it out first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 13:58:46 No.52352597 Report

Quoted By: >>52352816

>>52352481
Why?

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 14:21:19 No.52352816 Report

Quoted By: >>52353444

>>52352597
They feel very reactionary instead of just giving these pokemon any time for the playerbase to work around it. I don't really pay attention to how smogon bans work but if the hands are on entitled players who know they will get what they want I won't be suprised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:12:20 No.52353444 Report

Quoted By: >>52353480

>>52352816
smogon bans work on votes from accomplished players
you can have a vote if you win tournaments or consistently place high on the ladder.
An alternate option is quickbans for things that the majority of the smogon audience agrees is too much for standard play.
If you enjoy any of the banned pokemon, you can play in Ubers where these banned pokemon thrive, or Anything goes, where even the most blatantly Overpowered nonsense is allowed to be played.
There's also the VGC format, played either ingame or in Smogon Doubles/Smogon VGC, where there is often a regional dex format at the beginning of the generation, that transitions into a restricted legendary format about a year or two afterwards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:15:26 No.52353480 Report

Quoted By: >>52353596

>>52353444
>you can play in Ubers where these banned pokemon thrive
Fuck off. There are plenty of pokemon who get banned to ubers and rot in obscurity because they are too weak in that metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:16:37 No.52353491 Report

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>>52352094
Speed speed speed. Jolly 87 outspeeds adamant/modest base 100s, that's one threshold you want to hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:18:21 No.52353513 Report

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>>52352218
Absolutely. That shit is busted out the ass on natdex with the likes of Latios, Latias, Giratina-O having 0 weaknesses and Shadow Shield Lunala becoming a Fairy-type while knowing Moonblast.
The defensive element of tera synergizes too well with abilities, unlike protean. The mechanic does too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:20:31 No.52353537 Report

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>>52352094
As the other anon said speed, also you want to run this on snowteams, otherwise Dragonite is better as a generic fat DD.
Dragonite can also do the tera normal ekiller spam. Baxcaliber is hard to stop offensively at +1 with that bulk, even a scarf Lele can't cleanly OHKO it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:25:09 No.52353596 Report

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>>52353480
So? Being shit in ubers isn't an excuse to tear up OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:26:14 No.52353610 Report

Quoted By: >>52353667

>>52351454
I feel like Simple would be amazing on Volcarona. Have you tried it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:30:50 No.52353667 Report

Quoted By:

>>52353610
simple is probably one of those banned abilities you can't use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:31:48 No.52353679 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350705
bump for this anon, im curious

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:36:06 No.52353742 Report

Quoted By: >>52353884

hey bros anyone can give me a hand planning a set for my bro Kleavor? is he a weirdest Scizor moveset/statwise?
I built mine using Scizor as a template because I don't know what to do with him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:39:00 No.52353779 Report

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>>52350779
Toxapex absolutely demolishes shitters in gen 7/8
So do a lot of other pokemon but those just fucking kill your team in like 3 turns. Toxapex slowly picks them apart while regenerator and scald burns mean any progress is negated, leading to a buildup of cope and seethe. Pex can kinda simulate the entire stall experience even if it's on a balanced team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:42:28 No.52353820 Report

Quoted By:

>>52346281
In 1v1 too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:44:46 No.52353847 Report

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Why does the online matchmaking suck so hard? 90% of my casual battles connect and then nothing besides either waiting 3 minutes on a screen I cannot exit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:48:23 No.52353884 Report

Quoted By: >>52353897

>>52353742
He doesn't really have any of the aspects of Scizor leftover?
Its not really a mon based on sustain.(though scizor can't really do that either anymore) Its just big stabs or big stabs as its main abilities are sheer force and sharpness.
I'd say the utility of stone axe outweigh sheer force rock slide or whatever. Though sheer force comes with free Life Orb. His main stabs synergize with sharpness and sharpness is the naturally bigger boost.

You can also use trailblaze(or tailwind i suppose)+swords dance to theoretically sweep but that sounds pretty iffy. Its not ultra bulky. I think either a choice item or assvest is what he'd want.
Which is pretty obviously just x-scissor/stone axe/u-turn/filler(Close Combat?).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 15:49:59 No.52353897 Report

Quoted By:

>>52353884
you want CC on this thing for sure yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 17:24:50 No.52355030 Report

Quoted By: >>52355301

If only Mabosstiff had a useable SpA stat, Stakeout Hyper Voice seems like it would have been a fun answer to Cyclizar. Only shitmons get Stakeout, alas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 17:26:52 No.52355045 Report

Quoted By:

>>52350029
>what does it do? just run specs and blow shit up?
I personally love Agility 3A with Energy Ball and Tera Grass right now because there's maybe 2 things that can switch into this thing, and like 3 non meme mon that can revenge it after Agility

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 17:48:19 No.52355301 Report

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>>52355030
At what juncture would you want to use Hyper Voice on Cyclizar?

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