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Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:30:57 No.52560859 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52560871 >>52560890 >>52561685 >>52561862 >>52562785 >>52566216

>receives a mechanic that allows it to remove its ice typing and replace it with something else
>suddenly becomes genuinely viable
Wow, this says a lot about Ice as a defensive pokemon type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:32:07 No.52560871 Report

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>>52560859
I love avalugg and bergmite

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:34:26 No.52560890 Report

Quoted By: >>52561023 >>52561270 >>52561296 >>52562785 >>52563406 >>52566539

>>52560859
i don't know why they continue to insist on defensive ice types when ice only resists itself.
if ice had, say, four resists to go with its four weaknesses, it would make more sense.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:46:41 No.52560988 Report

Quoted By: >>52561082

B-but muh horse with the intellectual bunny on top means that it's a good thing if Aurorus has all the bullshit going against it right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:47:23 No.52560990 Report

Quoted By: >>52560997 >>52561216

no one cares about aurorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:48:42 No.52560997 Report

Quoted By: >>52561065

>>52560990
So how's Stantler and Girafarig doing for you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:51:45 No.52561023 Report

Quoted By: >>52561059

>>52560890
>i don't know why they continue to insist on defensive ice types

There is four new ice types and every single one of them is offensive, even the one with 170 base HP is using that to facilitate Belly Drum/Slush Rush and not even considering being defensive.
I understand this statement would be relevant in every other gen, but right now they are absolutely not insisting on making only defensive ice types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:54:33 No.52561059 Report

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>>52561023
>but right now they are absolutely not insisting on making only defensive ice types
They'll buff the defensive ones, but with the catch only being Lapras and Glaceon because #OnlyPopularPokemonMatter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:55:24 No.52561065 Report

Quoted By: >>52561089

>>52560997
who

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:56:58 No.52561080 Report

Quoted By: >>52561094 >>52561100 >>52561105 >>52571218

Why is ground super effective against ice?
>t. just slipped on black ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:57:19 No.52561082 Report

Quoted By: >>52570307

>>52560988
>I want to buff Glastrier by adding Ice type resistances just to buff a bunch of shitmons that won't be viable anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:58:08 No.52561089 Report

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>>52561065
Sorry, I meant Wyrdeer and Farigiraf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:58:42 No.52561094 Report

Quoted By: >>52561108

>>52561080
isn't*

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:59:14 No.52561100 Report

Quoted By: >>52561108

>>52561080
Ground isn't super effective against ice dumbass

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:59:34 No.52561105 Report

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>>52561080
>because aurorus needs three double-weaknesses
I see how it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 15:59:53 No.52561108 Report

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>>52561100
Yeah, my bad, typo >>52561094

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Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:12:23 No.52561216 Report

Quoted By: >>52561472 >>52570100

>>52560990
I care

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:12:56 No.52561226 Report

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Ice types are in a weird spot because for most of the franchise's life they were mostly designed as tanks despite the type obviously being for glass cannons. Now they're finally designing Ice mons to play to the type's strengths but you still have all these bulky ice types that're in the gutter and if you wanna buff them you have to do so without making shit like Glastrier even better
Or just use Dexit as an excuse to keep Glastrier out of rotation, I'd be fine with that too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:17:03 No.52561270 Report

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>>52560890
Because creatures living in harsh condition need to be defensive

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:19:42 No.52561296 Report

Quoted By: >>52561341 >>52563306 >>52563763

>>52560890
would it matter much if they did something like make ice resist electric, fairy and ground? too weak, too broken?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:22:13 No.52561328 Report

Quoted By: >>52561357

i've been seeing a lot of butthurt aurorus enjoyers the last few days. how was it nerfed exactly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:23:22 No.52561341 Report

Quoted By: >>52561361

>>52561296
Ice hits the majority of the strongest Pokemon for SE damage, they just need to stop making defensive shitmons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:24:46 No.52561357 Report

Quoted By: >>52561739 >>52570339

>>52561328
Refrigerate got nerfed along with the rest of the abilities that boosted Normal-type moves and the fact it lost Rock Polish in gen 8 as if having a +2 in Speed would be OP for a slow Pokémon that has a 4× weakness to Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, and Vacuum Wave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:24:51 No.52561361 Report

Quoted By: >>52561380

>>52561341
Oh and remove the ability for water types to use ice moves, or at least most of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:26:06 No.52561380 Report

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>>52561361
With exceptions like the Piplup line because penguin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:32:36 No.52561472 Report

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>>52561216
Why is Aurorus so badly drawn ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:51:13 No.52561685 Report

Quoted By:

>>52560859
>>suddenly becomes genuinely viable
where

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 16:56:24 No.52561739 Report

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>>52561357
So basically just refrigerate, the rest is just autism rambling. But, they buffed hail. Snow is much better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:00:15 No.52561788 Report

Quoted By: >>52561801 >>52561818

>ice type good because it has hyper minmaxed legendaries
>never mind all the mons that are not hyper minmaxed legendaries, they can eat shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:01:17 No.52561801 Report

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>>52561788
G-Darmanitan? Baxcalibur? Cloyster?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:03:04 No.52561814 Report

Quoted By: >>52561954

They should just make the walls strong on both sides or not completely paper on the other stat. Avalugg might have been less shit with 80 SpD instead of bloody 46.
Also I still stand for giving Ice a good resist like Flying or maybe even Ghost since it's so good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:03:19 No.52561818 Report

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>>52561788
Mamoswine and Ninetales are hyper minmaxed legendaries?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:04:43 No.52561838 Report

Quoted By: >>52570638

I've used avalugg for a while and I like it. Can't wait to bring my Hisuian avalugg over though as that's just a God awful typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:06:24 No.52561862 Report

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>>52560859
>>suddenly becomes genuinely viable
It was always genuinely viable.

If you’re talking about usage stats they’re still in the complete shitter so I have no clue what you’re talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:14:49 No.52561954 Report

Quoted By: >>52562030 >>52562185

>>52561814
Horrible take. That's the entire reason there's two attack stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:21:11 No.52562030 Report

Quoted By: >>52562153

>>52561954
You can control what attack stat you use. You can’t control what attack stat the opponent hits you with. Avalugg will always be bad because any remotely strong special attack completely shits on it while it sits there barely doing anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:31:38 No.52562153 Report

Quoted By: >>52562259

>>52562030
Yeah again, that's the entire point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:34:06 No.52562185 Report

Quoted By: >>52563216

>>52561954
Except you have pokemon that do both.
Ferrothorn, Toxapex, for example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:34:24 No.52562188 Report

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Ice should resist Fairy, Ground and Flying
And be immune to Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:39:27 No.52562259 Report

Quoted By: >>52563216

>>52562153
the entire point is that the pokemon is dogshit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 17:45:42 No.52562335 Report

Quoted By: >>52562522 >>52570179

percentage of ice types that are good:
~24%
percentage of electric types that are good:
~23%
percentage of fire types that are good:
~20%

idk where the "ice is bad" meme comes from. Retards who don't actually play the game maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 18:00:33 No.52562522 Report

Quoted By: >>52562617

>>52562335
>idk where the "ice is bad" meme comes from
It's mainly due to the plethora of slow Ice-type Pokémon that also have middling attacking stats. Also the fact Aurorus's/Hisuian Avalugg' and Frosmoth's typings (Rock/Ice | Bug/Ice) exacerbate the "Ice needs a buff" argument to an extreme. There's a reason why people want Pokémon like Aurorus and Frosmoth buffed. You'd probably just respond with "Aurorus went extinct for a reason" anyway as if having four of its six weaknesses being common attacking typings with one of them being 4× effective is a good thing for a slow Pokémon that realistically only has Ancient Power for special Rock STAB in a playthrough is a good thing because... <some absurd reason>.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 18:08:10 No.52562617 Report

Quoted By: >>52570323

>>52562522
>the type has shitmons so the type is bad!
yeah fairy and steel should be buffed because tinkaton is garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 18:12:56 No.52562688 Report

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>52562617
>intentionally misconstruing my post
No direct reply so no (You). Also Tinkaton's typing is good and is not a Game Freak-tier fuckfedr. It's only that stats that are bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 18:19:14 No.52562785 Report

Quoted By: >>52566483

>>52560859
>Ice is a bad defensive typing!
Wow it's almost like it's the best offensive type in the game or something you absolute fucking genius.
>>52560890
>Let's just make ice the strongest type in the game
Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 18:58:39 No.52563216 Report

Quoted By: >>52563528 >>52563675 >>52569978 >>52570280

>>52562185
Yeah and they're fucking broken.
>>52562259
No, dipshit. That's called balance. Pokemon is a game of rock paper scissors, there's always a way through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:06:35 No.52563306 Report

Quoted By:

>>52561296
>ice resist electric
If anything it should be weak to it, the colder the temperature is the more conductive metal gets

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:07:31 No.52563316 Report

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Ice is an expansion type for Water pokemon not its own typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:15:53 No.52563406 Report

Quoted By: >>52566361 >>52569936

>>52560890
Ice Types, like most types, have some Archetype that GF really likes.
They are defensive tanks because they "Glaciers", if that makes sense. Of course they all fail because Ice just doesn't have the tools to be defensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:28:33 No.52563528 Report

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>>52563216
They're useful you mean.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:38:56 No.52563675 Report

Quoted By: >>52564703

>>52563216
>That's called balance
Well at least Scald is exclusive to Volcanion now and since it's a mythical the Pokémon won't be in the VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:45:39 No.52563763 Report

Quoted By: >>52570602

>>52561296
Flying fairy and ground are in dire need of a resist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:49:35 No.52563805 Report

Quoted By: >>52563855

How do I make a competent Avalugg? Steel tera trick room menace?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:53:47 No.52563855 Report

Quoted By: >>52563882

>>52563805
I like Fighting Tera Avalugg for hilarious Body Press damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 19:55:47 No.52563882 Report

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>>52563855
Oh, duh. I always think body press is steel for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 21:05:19 No.52564703 Report

Quoted By: >>52570160

>>52563675
Literally what the fuck are you talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 23:24:45 No.52566216 Report

Quoted By:

>>52560859
nobody uses avalugg

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 23:36:27 No.52566361 Report

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>>52563406
would setting up snow on a cetitan or something not change that up a good deal since the paldea dex is majority phyiscal attackers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 23:44:33 No.52566483 Report

Quoted By: >>52566490

>>52562785
>it's almost like
reddit phrasing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 23:45:07 No.52566490 Report

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>>52566483
Damn, downvoted :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 23:48:25 No.52566539 Report

Quoted By: >>52566605

>>52560890
Ice could resist grass bug flying and water and Itd still be bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 23:52:56 No.52566605 Report

Quoted By: >>52566637

>>52566539
these are the types it would actually make sense for it to resist, at least. but Grass and Bug are already resisted by seven types each. but using Grass type moves against Ice types and having them be neutral is still a mindfuck all these years later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 23:54:58 No.52566637 Report

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>>52566605
It's weird that ice doesn't at least resist normal it should definitely resist flying and grass tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2022 23:57:31 No.52566666 Report

Quoted By: >>52566697 >>52568104

snow hoe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 00:00:10 No.52566697 Report

Quoted By:

>>52566666
I kneel to the post that stole my quints away from me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 02:16:44 No.52568104 Report

Quoted By:

>>52566666
Blessed quints

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:08:20 No.52569936 Report

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>>52563406
But then why do they make ice have only one resistance to itself and make it be super effective against such valuable types?
The typing is clearly more suited to glass cannons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:14:57 No.52569978 Report

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>>52563216
Toxapex is broken for several reasons.
Having strong defense and special defense are the bare minimum to be functional as a defensive mon.
Having immunity to poisoning, 8 resistances, only 3 weaknesses (none of which are quad and all of which have a type immune to them), Regenerator, Recover, Haze, Scald, Knock-off, and three (3) different ways to poison the opponent are much bigger factors in its brokenness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:30:50 No.52570100 Report

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>>52561216
Hypothetically what is his best Terra type? Gut says Steel or Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:38:51 No.52570160 Report

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>>52564703
Scald distribution was nerfed into the ground to the point that only one Pokémon can learn it, LEGALLY. And the only one that can learn it is Volcanion, the only Fire/Water type to exist. Funny enough, it actually has its own signature move that is EXACTLY like scald but stronger and less accuracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:41:04 No.52570179 Report

Quoted By: >>52570303

>>52562335
>20 ice types
>80 fire types
Congrats you found the one case where using "per capita" is stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:51:43 No.52570280 Report

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>>52563216
ferrothorn and toxapex arent broken lmao.

Theyre just useful and have a lot of counterplay

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:54:24 No.52570303 Report

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>>52570179
If ice was supposedly a bad type then it wouldn’t matter how many ice types there are, the percentage of good ones would still be lower, dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:54:55 No.52570307 Report

Quoted By:

>>52561082
>we made broken legendaries so therefore all pokemon must suffer

i agree, legendaries are a blight

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:56:33 No.52570323 Report

Quoted By: >>52570330

>>52562617
tinkaton is viable exclusively because of her typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:57:20 No.52570330 Report

Quoted By:

>>52570323
>tinkaton is viable
it isn’t though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 05:58:32 No.52570339 Report

Quoted By: >>52570767

>>52561357

Does one pokemon in the entire game even use vacuum wave?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 06:01:54 No.52570367 Report

Quoted By:

is not doing gigadimes damage worth neutralizing their weaknesses?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 06:26:32 No.52570602 Report

Quoted By:

>>52563763
>types that have immunities have too many weaknesses :(
qq more retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 06:32:11 No.52570638 Report

Quoted By:

>>52561838
>bring my Hisuin Avalugg over
Anon....they're never gonna let you bring them over

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 06:48:55 No.52570767 Report

Quoted By:

>>52570339
special infernape and lucario, they both run nasty plot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 07:39:56 No.52571106 Report

Quoted By:

Yes, Avalugg has great physical stats.

I wish it was Ground/Ice or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 08:01:56 No.52571211 Report

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so really, just an honest question here but why the fuck isn't ice resistant against grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2022 08:02:45 No.52571218 Report

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>>52561080
Because snow and ice covers the ground dumbass. If anything Ice should resist Ground and Water.

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