Never the guys
Never drew a dime
Never did anything memorable in the anime
Never had anything memorable in-game
Cheap knockoffs of Blaziken
Were such shitters they had to bring back Charizard
Worst starters in their respective gens
Were such antidraws they refused to give them any gimmicks
Ash basically forgets he ever had them
Never brought back for a pop
Highlighted the low point in the series
Only drew with zodiac fags
Useless in comp
Will be forgotten within the next gen