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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:15:18 No.53002339 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>53002348 >>53002349 >>53002386 >>53002416 >>53004695 >>53004950

>only trainer aside from Ash to have a remotely close battle with Leon
>did better against Leon than Diantha did
>/vp/ still claims he’s the weakest of the Masters 8 and that Paul would beat him
Is it just leftover seethe from the Kalos league

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:17:18 No.53002348 Report

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>>53002339
>only trainer aside from Ash to have a remotely close battle with Leon
?? he performed just as bad if not even worse than Diantha. Leon didn't even gigantamax his ace and Shitlain only ko'd 1 of 3 of his Pokemon lmao

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:17:28 No.53002349 Report

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>>53002339
>t. Yajima

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:23:56 No.53002386 Report

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>>53002339
>Alain
>remotely close battle with Leon
His entire team got bodied in one hit from Leon’s Charizard. Even BURASTO lost in a single hit. Legitimately every other challenger that faced Leon in the anime did better.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:29:19 No.53002406 Report

Quoted By: >>53002417

Leon sent out his Rillaboom just to dab on Alain
Then his NORMAL Charizard felt nothing when facing the Mega form
This battle was just Leon flexing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:30:40 No.53002411 Report

Quoted By: >>53002418

Nigga what?
Diantha and Alan had the same win/loss ratio against Leon.
You wanna know the real difference?
Leon actually had to G-Max memezard against Diantha rather than waste it for le gotta hype the audience meme.
Diantha also made Leon shit himself for a bit too and then he somehow made a normal G-Max Wildfire overpower the Psychic + Max Airstream + G-Max Wildfire Mega Gardevoir sent at him because god forbid he's well written.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:31:01 No.53002415 Report

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I got no real bone to pick against Alan but
>Alan's ace
Did jackshit to Leon's ace with a 4x SE move
>Diantha's ace
Fucked Kyodaimax Charizard up with non-STAB tbolt and only lost the "beam struggle" to plot armour hax

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:31:07 No.53002416 Report

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>>53002339
This is moot when everyone had a "close" battle during the first round, due to it all being 3v3s. But Alain performed the worst due to Leon only using two Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:31:38 No.53002417 Report

Quoted By: >>53002419 >>53004991

>>53002406
So, Ash-Grenigger is canonically so much WEAKER than Leon's shillzard, is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:31:38 No.53002418 Report

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>>53002411
Actually I'm wrong Diantha beat two of Leon Alan only could defeat one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:32:31 No.53002419 Report

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>>53002417
That's not how powerlevels work, retard. Much less on Journeys where the powerscaling went full retard.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:36:13 No.53002439 Report

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>>53002419

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 05:36:37 No.53002442 Report

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>>53002419
There's no need to get angry. Meds

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 08:05:27 No.53003081 Report

Quoted By: >>53003184 >>53003246

Alainzard
>Broken, utterly defeated by base Zard

Gardevoir
>the comedic swirly eyes.

Alain is probably last place in the masters 8, but he could believably beat Iris desu.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 08:43:47 No.53003184 Report

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>>53003081
>beat Iris desu.

Free rent kek

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 09:00:59 No.53003246 Report

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>>53003081
Metagross’ comedic swirly eyes:

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 14:36:34 No.53004695 Report

Quoted By: >>53004781 >>53005123

>>53002339
>only trainer aside from Ash to have a remotely close battle with Leon
Lance and Raihan did much better than both Alain and Diantha. Watch the anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 14:54:18 No.53004781 Report

Quoted By: >>53004813

>>53004695
A result which wasn’t even the intention of the writers. The strength of Leon is enhanced just to build up the hype of Ash vs. Leon. The two guys are just lucky because their battles are the early episodes of JN.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 14:58:19 No.53004796 Report

Quoted By: >>53004862

His team is hype as fuck desu

I still hope he gets an official in game appearance. Kalos remakes would be the perfect opportunity. Give him a Kingambit for the ultimate edge team

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:02:37 No.53004813 Report

Quoted By: >>53004860

>>53004781
>A result which wasn’t even the intention of the writers
Even if we pretend like you know the intention of the writers, that doesn't change that fact. Alain did much worse than both Lance and Raihan. Heck, Ash needed Dynamax and Gmax Aura sphere to beat Raihan (2 gimmicks), so you could argue he's stronger than Steven.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:02:41 No.53004814 Report

Quoted By: >>53004940 >>53005123

Why is Leon treated as the stronger trainers ever in the anime? I didn't really get that vibe from the game. Post game and DLC trainers like Mustard seemed to be above him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:11:16 No.53004860 Report

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>>53004813
I thought the mess of all the powerscaling arguments already ended since the fuking master 8 was done. My advice is thatJust let this kind of post dead if you disagree OP’s take. Not an Alainfag btw. All the returning characters are just the victims of the writers.

Plus, I don’t even get why the 2 gimmicks stuffs have something to do with Steven and don’t want to know.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:11:30 No.53004862 Report

Quoted By: >>53005104

>>53004796
>Alan returns
>his new team is Charizard, Metagross, Chesnaught, Weavile, Kingambit and Basculegion
Yay or nay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:26:08 No.53004940 Report

Quoted By: >>53004978

>>53004814
He is only 3rd best in the anime

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:28:28 No.53004950 Report

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>>53002339
>remotely close
it was a one-sided blowout you goddamned lunatic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:30:04 No.53004960 Report

Quoted By: >>53004980 >>53005068 >>53005094

Never watched JN, but wasn't his match with Leon 3v3? And he went 3-2.
Diantha's match with Leon was 6v6 and she went 6-2.

So technically yeah, he did do better. Still would've lost the 6v6.
I imagine he would've went 6-3.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:32:40 No.53004978 Report

Quoted By: >>53005048

>>53004940
Actually he placed second

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:33:03 No.53004980 Report

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>>53004960
>And he went 3-2.
he only 3-1
are you high?

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:36:03 No.53004991 Report

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>>53002417
>>53002419

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:43:20 No.53005020 Report

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>>53004980
>>Never watched JN
Not high. Just trying to recall from screenshots posted on /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:52:03 No.53005048 Report

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>>53004978
lucky (or rigged?) bracket, that kept him away from Ash
But he is 3rd best in reality

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 15:56:41 No.53005068 Report

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>>53004960
Alain lost 3-1, with his Mega Zard getting bodied by Leon's base Zard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:01:48 No.53005094 Report

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>>53004960
Damn it's almost like what happened during the match and how it happened also matters and not just the numbers...
And even putting that aside you're wrong since Diantha beat two Pokemon and Alan could only beat one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:02:57 No.53005104 Report

Quoted By: >>53005123

>>53004862
>Chestnaught
I forgot; did he ever have one, or was it just Marin with her Chespin?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:06:32 No.53005123 Report

Quoted By: >>53005144 >>53005171 >>53005177

>>53004695
Lance and Raihan were 1vs1 with just Aces. It's impossible to gauge anything with such limited information.
And even so if we're basing it on just 1 vs 1Ace vs Ace Diantha's still the definitive winner. She's the first person who on-screen visibly actually hurt Leon's Charizard with the Thunderbolt and then actually made Leon sweat for a second by countering the G-Max Wildfire even if he just unga bunga'ed through it.
At the end of the day trying to discuss anything here is pointless because of how fucking retarded anything involving Anime Leon ended up being.
>>53004814
The anime for some reason decided to ultra wank him to ridiculous extremes at the detriment of everyone else.
In short, nothing but bad writing.
>>53005104
It was a new, his own. Manon still had her Chespin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:10:57 No.53005144 Report

Quoted By: >>53005171

>>53005123
>She's the first person who on-screen visibly actually hurt Leon's Charizard
This is factually false. State your definition of "hurt" because if you're referring to visible damage, you're wrong. Go back and watch Leon vs Raihan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:11:38 No.53005148 Report

Quoted By: >>53005157 >>53005208

Not even an Alanfag but it's really sad how they just brought him bad just to job, probably on some misguided idea that Leon beats Alan so when Ash beats Leon it'll mean Ash = Leon so this is totally an apology for Kalos League and now all the people who were upset at that will totally be happy and not mad anymore, flanderized him as if he were just an edgelord even for some reason glaring at Ash, had his Charizard's moveset completely gutted removing the iconic BURASTO and even the Thunderpunch his Charizard learned to counter Greninja but for whatever reason was removed despite it being a great choice against Leon's Charizard. While at the same time stating that his goal was to prove his Charizard was the strongest.
They did him extremely dirty but at the end of the day you can say that

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:12:42 No.53005157 Report

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>>53005148
*you can say that of everyone else too.
Fuck, pressed enter early.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:15:29 No.53005171 Report

Quoted By: >>53005193 >>53005228 >>53005338

>>53005144
>>53005123
She's the first person who counters Leon's Charizard G-Max wildfire, which was explicitly said in the recap episode

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:16:08 No.53005177 Report

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>>53005123
>It was a new, his own. Manon still had her Chespin.
Ah, thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:18:54 No.53005193 Report

Quoted By: >>53005224

>>53005171
God it was so fucking bullshit that Leon somehow overpowered the wildfire that'd been boosted by a max airstream and double powered up by the psychic by... just throwing out another normal wildfire.
What an insulting episode in every single aspect. Not even loli Cynthia could save it because it was just a 10 seconds slideshow despite how hard they shilled that beforehand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:21:19 No.53005208 Report

Quoted By: >>53005258

>>53005148
>side characters that are irrelevant to the plot weren't treated the way I wanted them to
This is the problem with people that don't watch the anime. The M8 tournament was always only a device to get Ash vs Leon, the whole point of JN. The fact that the non-Ash battles were originally not going to be animated is all you need to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:24:00 No.53005224 Report

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>>53005193
I mean, writers can do whatever they want.

That’s one of the reasons I find those powerscaling arguments meaningless, but many anipoke fans are obsessed with that

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:24:49 No.53005228 Report

Quoted By: >>53005269 >>53005306

>>53005171
>She's the first person who counters Leon's Charizard G-Max wildfire
which led to nothing. Leon just used a stronger Wildfire to blow it away. Anyways, she did counter the wildfire but she wasn't the first person to damage Zard.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:28:47 No.53005258 Report

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>>53005208
>This is the problem with people that don't watch the anime.
Blow it up your ass. I watched the entire thing and even livewatched the final episode.
>The M8 tournament was always only a device to get Ash vs Leon, the whole point of JN. The fact that the non-Ash battles were originally not going to be animated is all you need to know.
And that's why it was total shit.
Plenty of other tournaments in all other kinds of media can make all the other fights besides the finals feel and be meaningful, interesting and good.
If all they wanted and cared about then there was plenty of ways to go about that didn't require taking a big fat shit on all the other Champions or completely ruin a once in a lifetime event like a tournament between Champions.
Just because the PM staff are total hacks doesn't excuse or justifies anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:30:23 No.53005269 Report

Quoted By: >>53005315 >>53005338 >>53005380

>>53005228
> which led to nothing. Leon just used a stronger Wildfire to blow it away.
Which led to nothing, can anyone besides Ash can do something and win against Leon?
Did I claim it lead to the win or something? Did I say Lance or Raihan is bad? just said what was explicitly said in the recap episode. Nothing else. Damn why are you so triggered with this
> but she wasn't the first person to damage Zard.
I never said that ok? That’s another guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:36:40 No.53005306 Report

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>>53005228
> which led to nothing
By your standard I could also use other screenshots to say Lance and Raihan also “do nothing” because they both lose. Bro, not everything is all or nothing

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:37:59 No.53005315 Report

Quoted By: >>53005358 >>53005372 >>53005374 >>53005381 >>53005415

>>53005269
>can anyone besides Ash can do something and win against Leon?
Yeah, Cynthia (2 gimmicks) easily
Also he is a sitting duck outside Galar, Steven can probably beat him there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:40:29 No.53005338 Report

Quoted By: >>53005363

>>53005269
>I never said that ok? That’s another guy
Then why respond to the comment only talking about damaging Zard? >>53005171

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:42:36 No.53005358 Report

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>>53005315
Go back to your /padt/ to enjoy your headcanon.
Not interested in the popular champ fan’s “outside Galar” argument , which is not the central of the discussion here

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:43:44 No.53005363 Report

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>>53005338
Just to correct that’s guy’s original statement. That’s all

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:45:28 No.53005372 Report

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>>53005315
>Also he is a sitting duck outside Galar, Steven can probably beat him there
Reminder that
Spiritomb = Pikachu > Metagross = Cinderace + Charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:46:12 No.53005374 Report

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>>53005315
Basado.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:47:00 No.53005380 Report

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>>53005269
>Which led to nothing, can anyone besides Ash can do something and win against Leon?
Leon lost his flavor of the month shilling plot armor so anyone can easily defeat him now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:47:00 No.53005381 Report

Quoted By: >>53005385 >>53005466

>>53005315
>Cynthiafag comes into a thread unrelated to Cynthia and starts shit again
like clockwork

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:47:33 No.53005385 Report

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>>53005381
>salty because jobeon was exposed

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:52:01 No.53005415 Report

Quoted By: >>53005425 >>53005477

>>53005315
>Dynamax Togekiss < Mega Lucario
>Mega Garchomp is canonically slightly stronger than base Haxorus, who lost to Ash's Dragonite
Cynthia may be able to take out 4 of Leon's mons if shes lucky.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:53:57 No.53005425 Report

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>>53005415
Ash Gimmicks required to beat just DynaKiss = 2
Ash Gimmicks required to beat Leon = 3
Ash Gimmicks required to beat DynaKiss + MegaChomp together = more than 3

indisputable EZ win for Winthia

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 16:59:53 No.53005466 Report

Quoted By: >>53005488

>>53005381
>Someone asks who can defeat Leon
>Cynthia can defeat Leon
>HURR CYNTHIAFAGS DURR
Meds.
Now.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 17:01:02 No.53005477 Report

Quoted By: >>53005488 >>53005505 >>53005602

>>53005415
>Still posting mistranslations
Don't you ever get tired of getting BTFO?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 17:02:10 No.53005488 Report

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>>53005466
>Meds.
>Now.
too late for him

>>53005477
pedos cling to Iris super hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 17:04:02 No.53005505 Report

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>>53005477
>still pretending to know japanese and claiming the subs are incorrect and they are right
give it up, its just sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 17:17:37 No.53005602 Report

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>>53005477
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