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ITT: Facts the Pokémon community isn't ready to hear

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 06:53:00 No.53286410 View View Reply Original Report

Emerald has a worse level curve than Johto.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:00:00 No.53286442 Report

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>>53286410
Lillie is better with Selene than Elio and no posting that screenshot for the 5000th time doesn't prove otherwise. All it proves is your autism

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:06:40 No.53286462 Report

Quoted By: >>53286471 >>53286534 >>53287744 >>53289683 >>53290412 >>53291667 >>53293059 >>53293715 >>53293892 >>53294990

>>53286410
Ash would demolish Red
XY was the peak of the anime and everyone hating it right now are just contrarians
Amourshipping is the most compelling ship in any Pokemon media

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:08:29 No.53286471 Report

Quoted By: >>53287973 >>53289683

>>53286462
Ash should've beaten Alain. That's what everything was leading up to. Alola should've been a vacation where he helps them set up a League and is the champion for a bit.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:10:09 No.53286480 Report

Quoted By: >>53286569 >>53287651 >>53287754 >>53288622 >>53289150 >>53289683 >>53294877

Exp share is a fundamentally necessary mechanic to the series in order for using 6 Pokemon teams to be anything other than a self imposed challenge.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:14:32 No.53286499 Report

Quoted By: >>53286557

>ITT: Facts the Pokémon community isn't ready to hear
Anyone who uses the term "level curve" as a point of critique is a low IQ dumbass

Anyone who complains about the EXP share being a baked in mechanic is also a retard

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:23:06 No.53286534 Report

Quoted By: >>53286571 >>53287118 >>53294825 >>53295299

>>53286462
you haven't read the manga. That's actually really impressive considering you obviously watched the boring ass anime.

red regularly had to deal with life or death situations where making the wrong move meant one of his pokemon would die. Ash throws out his pikachu into ground types. The winner here should be pretty obvious.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:27:38 No.53286557 Report

Quoted By: >>53286576

>>53286499
if level curve doesn't matter then why is xp share good? Shit, I mean, why are we even playing video games if level curve and progression don't matter?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:30:17 No.53286566 Report

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>>53286410
You don't need a Fire Type to play through Sinnoh.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:30:56 No.53286569 Report

Quoted By: >>53286603 >>53295438

>>53286480
It doesn't change anything about that. You can still just power level one monster without any care, they only change is that your other monsters grow for it.
It just makes you stronger for doing the same thing that you were doing before.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:31:28 No.53286571 Report

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>>53286534
Ash Greninja solos Red's team

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:32:32 No.53286576 Report

Quoted By: >>53286658 >>53287656

>>53286557
>if level curve doesn't matter then why is xp share good?
Because it makes using more than 1 party member not pointless.

> I mean, why are we even playing video games if level curve and progression don't matter?
Exactly, progression does matter, which is what makes it all the more retarded when people whine about gen 2's """level curve""" just because they aren't perpetually the same level as everything else in the game.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:36:15 No.53286596 Report

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Shirona is an unremarkable character

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:36:52 No.53286603 Report

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>>53286569
>You can still just use one monster
yeah if you are autistic and want to prove a point spamming items to get through bad matchups, not because it is the optimal way to play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:49:05 No.53286651 Report

Quoted By: >>53291778

>>53286410
sv is a bad game and it's worse than swsh

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 07:51:22 No.53286658 Report

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>>53286576
>Because it makes using more than 1 party member not pointless.
>Every game that doesn't distribute EXP throughout the entire party is pointless
Game Freak apologists are crazy.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 08:19:07 No.53286795 Report

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>>53286410
there's a transgender character in pokemon X and Y

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 08:34:26 No.53286864 Report

Quoted By: >>53287628 >>53287636

Gloria is garbage and a worse design than Victor

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 09:40:49 No.53287118 Report

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>>53286534
Who TF mentioned pokespe Red? That guy's a jobber.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 09:42:46 No.53287128 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c91rTEhNIjM

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 12:42:36 No.53287628 Report

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>>53286864
ywnbaw

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 12:46:26 No.53287636 Report

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>>53286864
hey fuck you, ok?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 12:53:42 No.53287651 Report

Quoted By: >>53287655 >>53287696

>>53286480
>Exp share is a fundamentally necessary mechanic to the series in order for using 6 Pokemon teams to be anything other than a self imposed challenge.
How is catching and using Pokémon in a game where the main goal is to catch and train a bunch of Pokémon a “self imposed challenge”?
It is literally no more necessary to catch more than one Pokémon in games with EXP share than without, the only difference is that the EXP share makes BOTH options brain dead instead of just one
>Inb4 the games were always braindead
THEN WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NEED THE EXP SHARE YOU UTTER MONGOLOID? Fuck all these EXP share supporting shitters, THIS is why I hate the EXP share, it’s existence has allowed fuckers like this to keep playing the games. If gen 6 simply hadn’t added it these presumably would’ve fucked off by now

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 12:56:09 No.53287655 Report

Quoted By: >>53287666 >>53287682

>>53287651
the issue is that you only use one pokemon at a time
if the game was full of double and triple battles then it wouldnt be a problem really
notice how in other rpgs your whole party is in every battle so they all gain exp? its not some crazy easymodo idea it's actually the standard

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 12:56:19 No.53287656 Report

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>>53286576
>Because it makes using more than 1 party member not pointless.
Catching and training Pokémon is LITERALLY the WHOLE fucking POINT of the games. If you’ve ever caught and trained a Pokémon and felt it was “pointless” because it doesn’t get EXP when you don’t use it then you’re a turbo shitter who shouldn’t be playing the games

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:02:02 No.53287666 Report

Quoted By: >>53287814

>>53287655
you would ideally switch so you're using a wide variety of Pokemon so they'd all be getting experience. People love playing on Set mode though because "it's more challenging" when all it does is further encourage the use of only 1 Pokemon

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:03:04 No.53287671 Report

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>>53287636
anon wasn’t ready to hear the truth…

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:05:56 No.53287682 Report

Quoted By: >>53287720 >>53287958

>>53287655
>the issue is that you only use one pokemon at a time
>if the game was full of double and triple battles then it wouldnt be a problem really
So you’re telling me if the EXP share divided the EXP evenly across your team instead of multiplying it you wouldn’t have an issue?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:08:13 No.53287696 Report

Quoted By: >>53287746 >>53289127

>>53287651
This is the way I see it. Most jrpgs have EXP for all party members. The issue with older Pokemon games is you can at most train 2-3 Pokemon without it being an utter grindfest. Spamming the same wild Pokemon is not fun and there were no alternatives. Now with the EXP All you can train anything you want. Mind you, this is also an issue because the developers don't add any form of difficulty setting. It seems like their new solution is making trainers optional in SV? Lmao? There are definitely games I wish had EXP All like Xenosaga. You can only have 3 party members in battle and the other 3 get jack shit. So if you trained the wrong character for certain boss, you're just fucked. My option for the final boss was grind for 20 hours or give up because I didn't play the way the developers intended (I maxed out the weakest character who was a healer).

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:12:06 No.53287720 Report

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>>53287682
>So you’re telling me if the EXP share divided the EXP evenly across your team instead of multiplying it you wouldn’t have an issue?
Honestly, this is what they should do for difficulty settings. Reduced XP and certain bosses could have better teams like in BW2 Hard Mode. It would probably take a day to implement.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:17:08 No.53287744 Report

Quoted By: >>53289315 >>53289407 >>53289718

>>53286462
holy cope

sun moon directly after it is so much more fun and better looking

ash is made for Latias

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:18:14 No.53287746 Report

Quoted By: >>53287751

>>53287696
>The issue with older Pokemon games is you can at most train 2-3 Pokemon without it being an utter grindfest.
Look, dude, I can tell your post is genuine and not bait so I’ll be respectful and reply with a genuine statement as well. Truth is, I will never ever be able to take you or opinion seriously so long as as you feel the green text is true.
I’ve played every Pokémon game all the way through multiple times over, and every time I use 6-12 mons (Yes, trained evenly), and battle all the trainers and wild mons I come across. I well and truly NEVER have to grind outside of catching new team members up if they’re especially low leveled, which takes legitimately 5 minutes and isn’t even necessary, you can just give the the real EXP share or switch train them and they’ll quickly catch up that way. I simply don’t understand your perspective or how you can have it.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:19:03 No.53287751 Report

Quoted By: >>53287779

>>53287746
>I never have to grind... except when I have to grind!

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:19:35 No.53287754 Report

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>>53286480
gameplay aside it breaks my immersion. how am i training a pokemon i never use. hms should be my pokemon too, dont learn a move but i want to ride my pokemon and have it smash rocks

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:21:42 No.53287762 Report

Quoted By: >>53291154 >>53292866 >>53295438

>>53286603
It is 100% the optimal way to play, speedruns tend to use a single Pokémon for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:24:13 No.53287775 Report

Quoted By: >>53288505 >>53288581 >>53289627

>>53286410
sun and moon has the most memorable and enjoyable characters in the series, a great regional dex, is actually challenging, is one of the best looking games on the 3ds, has a bunch of additional features, and has sovl

people just don't like it because muh cutscenes

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:24:54 No.53287779 Report

Quoted By: >>53287785

>>53287751
>>I never have to grind... except when I have to grind!
Grinding is when you stop and deliberately faint wild shitters to catch up to the EXP curve. Fainting wild Pokémon that you naturally run into isn’t grinding (it’s almost as fast as running most of the time) nor is battling every trainer. If you really wanna die on the hill that fainting ANY wild mons is grinding then go ahead, it barely makes a difference since I mostly use repels anyway, the games STILL aren’t grindy.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:26:06 No.53287785 Report

Quoted By: >>53287815

>>53287779
>I well and truly NEVER have to grind outside of catching new team members up

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:30:41 No.53287814 Report

Quoted By: >>53296518

>>53287666
it gives you the unfair advantage of being able to switch your pokemon to an advantagous one when your opponent can't

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:30:45 No.53287815 Report

Quoted By: >>53287820

>>53287785
>which takes legitimately 5 minutes and isn’t even necessary, you can just give them the real EXP share or switch train them and they’ll quickly catch up that way.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:31:31 No.53287820 Report

Quoted By: >>53287845

>>53287815
so you do grind

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:35:33 No.53287838 Report

Quoted By: >>53287949 >>53287980 >>53288177 >>53289249 >>53289307 >>53294177

Diamond and Pearl are significantly better than Emerald and were a return to form for the series
There's no such thing as too many Legendaries, but there is such a thing as poor execution (ie. USUM)
FRLG's post-game is good
Preventing new Gen evolutions from appearing in remakes before the post-game is completely fine
X and Y having a shitton of new Pokémon immediately available every time you go to a new area is awful and ruins the pacing and balance of the game
Affection is one of the worst mechanics to ever come out of modern Pokémon
SwSh's dex cut was the least of its problems, a game like SM was missing 400 Pokémon and trading them all up was just as meaningless

And finally
Pokémon have literally no inherent value and their mere presence does not elevate a game in any way. What matters is their execution in the games themselves. Can you remember something about how you obtained that Pokémon that can be tied to a decision by the developers? Electibuzz and Magmar were version exclusives to Red and Green. They both received baby forms in Gold and Silver that could only be obtained by breeding them, and all of this extended to FRLG. Diamond and Pearl has you encounter them when FireRed (Elekid) or LeafGreen (Magby) are inserted during the post-game, and they appear in appropriate areas (Valley Windworks, Fuego Ironworks) and can even carry the held items required for them to reach their new evolutions.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:36:53 No.53287845 Report

Quoted By: >>53287848

>>53287820
Yea, by CHOICE, so I can use new mons right out of the gate. If you’re implying that bit of grinding pushes me ahead on the EXP curve then that’s laughable, getting a low leveled wild mon up like 2-3 levels is legitimately a pittance of EXP that won’t make a difference in the long run. a few levels around 20 is a fraction of a level around 40

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:37:15 No.53287848 Report

Quoted By: >>53287904 >>53289543

>>53287845
>nonono I grind because I WANT TO
ok retard

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:48:02 No.53287904 Report

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>>53287848
Yes because I prefer that over switch training or using the exp share. A less patient player might choose to switch train or give their mon the EXP share.
Pokémon games used to give the players choices like that, where one wasn’t necessarily objectively the best and they all came with downsides. I like to train up new catches directly for the same reason I tend to faint wild mons instead of running from them, I feel the stat exp/EVs are worth it. But it’s the slowest option so it’s not right for everyone. This is literally good game design that asks for engagement part of the player, nu exp removes the thinking and just trains you mons for you because convenient = better I guess. Everyone knows that all the best games bend over backwards to accommodate their players right?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 13:58:41 No.53287949 Report

Quoted By: >>53287980 >>53288044 >>53291814

>>53287838
>Diamond and Pearl are significantly better than Emerald and were a return to form for the series
Hard disagree
>There's no such thing as too many Legendaries, but there is such a thing as poor execution (ie. USUM)
Agree that USUM did them terribly but I think any more than like 10 and they stop feeling special
>FRLG's post-game is good
Who disagrees with this? Even FrLg haters admit the sevii islands were kino
>Preventing new Gen evolutions from appearing in remakes before the post-game is completely fine
>X and Y having a shitton of new Pokémon immediately available every time you go to a new area is awful and ruins the pacing and balance of the game
>Affection is one of the worst mechanics to ever come out of modern Pokémon
Hard agree on all
>SwSh's dex cut was the least of its problems, a game like SM was missing 400 Pokémon and trading them all up was just as meaningless
Nah, SwSh definitely have bigger problems but transfering up was never meaningless.
>Pokémon have literally no inherent value and their mere presence does not elevate a game in any way. What matters is their execution in the games themselves. Can you remember something about how you obtained that Pokémon that can be tied to a decision by the developers? Electibuzz and Magmar were version exclusives to Red and Green. They both received baby forms in Gold and Silver that could only be obtained by breeding them, and all of this extended to FRLG. Diamond and Pearl has you encounter them when FireRed (Elekid) or LeafGreen (Magby) are inserted during the post-game, and they appear in appropriate areas (Valley Windworks, Fuego Ironworks) and can even carry the held items required for them to reach their new evolutions.
AGREED. I'm so fucking tired of hearing about DP's distribution was bad. Catching pokemon used to be an involved experience back then, people literally just fucking hate needing to jump through hoops to get mons on replays. The initial experience will always be kino

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 14:02:06 No.53287958 Report

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>>53287682
It wasn't an issue in gen 1, no.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 14:07:18 No.53287973 Report

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>>53286471
>Ash should've beaten Alain
No he shouldn't because he wasn't using Pikachu against Charizard. He was doomed to lose.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 14:09:21 No.53287977 Report

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>>53286410
The SM anime was better than XY.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 14:09:59 No.53287980 Report

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>>53287838
>>53287949
God, it’s actually so fucking crazy that you bring up that example for DP because just a month ago I was fucking around in DP’s postgame looking for a Pachirisu when I ran into an Elekid. I had completely forgotten about the dongle feature, I literally just so happened to be playing FireRed at the time too (still am).
Not only that tho, he was holding an electirizer, so I trained him up to level 30 and traded him to a HG save that I started just for the trade, then traded him back. It was my first time ever getting one of these dudes cause I never get the opportunity, was a very memorable experience and I hope to keep him with me from now on

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 14:24:54 No.53288044 Report

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>>53287949
Being able to transfer should always be an option, but the Pokémon that can only be transferred don't add to the experience of the game in any way unique to it. I'd rather find a Gastly in Sprout Tower at night than transfer a Gastly caught at Pokémon Tower in Gen I because both are separate experiences with their own contexts that add to their individual games. I may have already caught Gastly in Gen I, but the experience of doing it in Gen II is still its own thing. So when I saw something like "Get Bulbasaur in Ruby/Sapphire" as a kid, my mind jumped through possibilities of new secret areas or dialogue that I had missed, not "Use an Action Replay/trade from FRLG" which could apply to over a hundred other Pokémon. I wanted the Gen I fossils, starters, and Legendaries in Gen II, but I wanted to actually FIND them in the game rather than have them traded to me. Now at least in the sprite-based games, you'd be getting new sprites and usually new Pokédex entries for the old Pokémon that weren't available, but by Gen VII they were just reusing models and they didn't even have the National Pokédex to fill out. Really, the only Pokémon I remember from SM that weren't in the SM Alola Pokédex (barring Island Scan, Charizard, and Rotom) are Solrock and Lunatone because they unlock a Sun Stone and Moon Stone from an NPC for showing them.

Having 400 Pokémon be like that felt functionally equivalent to the dex cut to me, just 3 years earlier.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 14:27:11 No.53288060 Report

Quoted By: >>53288076 >>53288182

>>53286410
Ralts is the secret 4th starter in Emerald.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 14:34:12 No.53288076 Report

Quoted By: >>53288112

>>53288060
Speaking of, Ralts and Kirlia are genuinely pretty bad Pokemon stats wise. If not for an okay moveset leveling up and eventually becoming Gardevoir, they wouldn't see nearly as much usage.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 14:44:04 No.53288112 Report

Quoted By: >>53291488

>>53288076
You would be amazed how many mons are weak to PSYCHIC with how often teams use shit like sharpedo and mightyena.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 15:02:36 No.53288177 Report

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>>53287838
I actually liked many of the new evolutions in DP being locked to the postgame, giving the player incentive to hunt and fill out the dex for new mons, as well as tying them all to being extensions of ones older players would be familiar with. This doesn’t excuse how dogshit DP’s main story dex is, though.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 15:05:04 No.53288182 Report

Quoted By: >>53288662

>>53288060
Early game 3-stagers that carry the game?
>Nidoran
>Mareep
>Ralts
>Starly
>Lillipup
>Magnemite (BW2)
>Honedge
>Grubbin
>Rookidee
Haven’t played SV so I wouldn’t know for that one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 16:11:53 No.53288462 Report

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>>53286410
pokemon was never difficult and doubles are better than singles.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 16:21:10 No.53288505 Report

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>>53287775
The first island is such a fucking slog, but I don't hate it as much as I used to.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 16:35:36 No.53288581 Report

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>>53287775
I don't like it because it's a hallway simulator that treats the player like a braindead tourist the entire length of the game. I like the characters but keep in mind that this is Pokémon writing and even Pokémon at its best is inferior to most game stories. I would also say that Gen VII looks NOWHERE near as good as the best-looking games on the 3DS, they hardly even have 3D. Kid Icarus: Uprising was the first game shown for the 3DS and was released in 2012, and it looks miles better than any Pokémon game. I'll admit Alola's battles are challenging compared to other Pokémon games, but I still had to gimp myself to have any challenge.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 16:42:29 No.53288615 Report

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there is no level curve problem in Johto, you just suck at the game and use the word grinding as an excuse

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 16:44:29 No.53288622 Report

Quoted By: >>53288811

>>53286480
Having a team of 6 is absolutely fucking useless if %90 of in game battles are all one on one
The stupid argument of “Other RPG’s do it” or “managing a team of 6” is irrelevant when said other RPG’s use more than 1 character out on the field for the whole game

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 16:46:16 No.53288633 Report

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Meganium is as much of a starter Pokémon like Incineroar and Greninja are.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 16:52:04 No.53288662 Report

Quoted By: >>53289771

>>53288182
grubbin couldn't even fully evolve until you were nearly at the elite four. you rolled with charjabug the whole game?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 17:00:27 No.53288711 Report

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The games aren't getting worse, they were always shit.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 17:18:03 No.53288811 Report

Quoted By: >>53288821

>>53288622
>when said other RPG’s use more than 1 character out on the field
How is this relevant?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 17:18:34 No.53288815 Report

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>the games are impossible if you train 6 pokemon
This is the most retarded take I'm sick of hearing in the Pokémon community. You don't need to grind in any Pokémon game. None. I've played the infamous Johto games dozens of times, trained 6 Pokémon equally, battled every trainer, ran from every wild Pokémon, and never had to grind for any battle. If you're genuinely so shit at this game that you either need to grind or hinder yourself by only using 1 or 2 Pokémon to funnel all your EXP into, you need to kill yourself immediately.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 17:19:13 No.53288821 Report

Quoted By: >>53288856

>>53288811
Because you've never actually played another RPG you secondary.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 17:24:55 No.53288856 Report

Quoted By: >>53288870

>>53288821
No, I have. Which is why I’m asking you to explain how you got to that nonsensical conclusion.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 17:26:19 No.53288870 Report

Quoted By: >>53288982

>>53288856
>typical JRPG
>entire party takes part in battle
>pokemon
>1 pokemon in battle, 5 more are in balls, a few hundred more are in the PC
Might as well give boxed Pokemon exp too.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 17:44:54 No.53288982 Report

Quoted By: >>53289712

>>53288870
>>typical JRPG
>>entire party takes part in battle
This isn't true in the slightest.

FFVII has 3 party members in battle, but the total number of party members is 9.
SMRPG has 3 party members in battle, but the total number of party members is 5.
Chrono Trigger has 3 party members in battle, but the total number of party members is 7.
Persona V has 4 party members in battle, but the total number of party members is 9.
DQXI has 4 party members in battle, but the total number of party members is 8.
SMTV has 4 party members in battle, but the total number of party members can go up to 26.
Digimon Cyber Sleuth has 3 party members in battle, but the total number of party members can go up to 11.

Every single one of these games gives EXP to every party member, regardless of whether or not they're active in battle or in reserves, and you can't turn it off.

Are you sure (You) have actually played other RPGs, schizo-kun?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:08:03 No.53289127 Report

Quoted By: >>53289143

>>53287696
If you actually play the damn game instead of skipping through it like a speedrunning troon, you can keep an evenly leveled team, including catching up new Pokémon, in every fucking game without being at risk of falling behind in levels. Even then, are you enough of a shitter to need a level advantage to win battles?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:11:26 No.53289143 Report

Quoted By: >>53289159 >>53289524

>>53289127
>you can keep an evenly leveled team
why would I do that though if the game is punishing me for it?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:12:36 No.53289150 Report

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>>53286480
That's wrong though. I grinded up Pokemon up to the rest of party by babying them for years.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:14:48 No.53289159 Report

Quoted By: >>53289326

>>53289143
>Why would I use more Pokémon in a game about catching and training Pokémon, when the game “punishes” me for it by making me not as egregiously over leveled as I can possibly be?
Gee I wonder

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:18:54 No.53289175 Report

Quoted By: >>53292806

>>53286410
Sun and Moon were actually pretty good, and maybe the last good entry in the series. Alolan Golem is one of my favorite pokemon ever
Incineroar is indeed awful
Charizard is the weakest pre gen 5 starter
Slapping on a new type in Gen 6 did nothing for game balance, it just made bad mons even worse. Most fairy types introduced in gen 6 onwards are atrociously ugly. They only appeal to twitter freaks who give gendered characteristics to species of pokemon (dragon = evil chud men, fairies = pussy power!)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:30:26 No.53289249 Report

Quoted By: >>53294550

>>53287838
>Diamond and Pearl are significantly better than Emerald and were a return to form for the series

Terrible point with no argument behind at all. Why are emeral haters always this stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:37:16 No.53289307 Report

Quoted By: >>53294550

>>53287838
>Diamond and Pearl are significantly better than Emerald and were a return to form for the series
This is a hard facts thread, not an objectively wrong thread.
DP was the most drastic departure the series had until now with gen 9 in both design and story given that not only did they have new design philosophies with pokemon, which is why a lot of that gen stand out among the rest, but the story pushed what a pokemon can be to new heights.
Until DP pokemon were just more or less animals with the odd super powerful pokemon here and there but with DP suddenly pokemon were actual gods and embodiments of their respective elements for example Celebi and Dialga, both have a time theme but the latter IS time.

Even now it stands as an oddity because pokemon has never really delved into godly levels like that since.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:38:51 No.53289315 Report

Quoted By:

>>53287744
unholy arrest

pokemon clover mogs both because reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:40:09 No.53289326 Report

Quoted By: >>53289359 >>53289524

>>53289159
>Gee I wonder
this but unironically

why does a game focused around catching and training pokemon punish me for catching and training pokemon? Seems like objectively bad design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:45:03 No.53289359 Report

Quoted By: >>53289376

>>53289326
There is no punishment, maybe stop being bad at a children's game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:48:03 No.53289376 Report

Quoted By: >>53289386 >>53289524

>>53289359
>There is no punishment
Which do you think is better? Having 252/252 EVs, or having 84/84/84/84/84/84 EVs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:49:43 No.53289386 Report

Quoted By: >>53289411

>>53289376
Are you afraid of Pokemon NPCs anon?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:51:53 No.53289398 Report

Quoted By: >>53289421 >>53289464 >>53289479 >>53289845

>>53286410
Scarlet Violet aren't Pokemon games.
>Dropped the Sugimori art style
>Can't Catch 'em All
>Dropped all level design in favor of openworld
>Dropped all balancing in favor of openworld
>Nuzlockes made impossible in favor of openworld
>Forced EXP share
>Forced affection bonuses
>Forced switch battle style
>No battle facilities
>No HMs
>Paid online subscription
>Paid transfer / storage / GTS subscription
>Paid DLC
ect. ect. ect.
Old fans have no place in the franchise anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:52:55 No.53289407 Report

Quoted By:

>>53287744
>ash is made for Latias
Wrong. Latias is made for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:53:22 No.53289411 Report

Quoted By: >>53289424

>>53289386
Are you afraid of not playing like a retard on purpose because you're afraid it will reveal how badly made your favorite games are anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:54:46 No.53289421 Report

Quoted By: >>53289436

>>53289398
Affection bonuses aren't forced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:55:04 No.53289424 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289411
I've done overleveled pokemon playthroughs before, my opinions are the same, now what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:56:27 No.53289431 Report

Quoted By: >>53291048 >>53291455

>>53286410
Generations don't exist anymore. A generation used to be a group of games that could trade and battle with each other, now I guess it's just games that release between the mainline games with a new region? But then wouldn't Legends start a new gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 18:57:28 No.53289436 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289421
Friendship and affection are the same thing now, and you gain friendship just from walking and battling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:01:10 No.53289464 Report

Quoted By: >>53289476

>>53289398
>>No HMs
>a bad thing
HMs deserve to die and rot in hell

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:02:26 No.53289476 Report

Quoted By: >>53292795

>>53289464
>All Pokemon now have 4 out of battle only move slots
There, fixed. Now the games can have optional hidden areas again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:02:44 No.53289479 Report

Quoted By: >>53293601

>>53289398
>>Nuzlockes made impossible in favor of openworld
And that's a bad thing how? Anyone who's ever done a nuzlocke needed to get shoved in more lockers growing up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:08:13 No.53289524 Report

Quoted By: >>53289531

>>53289143
>>53289326
>>53289376
i play pokemon because i like raising different pokemon
building a team of 6 lets me raise more pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:09:40 No.53289531 Report

Quoted By: >>53289595 >>53289722 >>53289804

>>53289524
Then you should have no problem with the exp share since it lets you raise even more Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:11:20 No.53289543 Report

Quoted By: >>53289548 >>53289557

>>53287848
anon, if you catch low level shitter later in game and want to bring it up to par how else would you do it without increasing the gap between old mons even further?

my biggest gripe with nu exp share is that is pretty much multiplies the xp mons get per battle. like I think in scarlet there was one late game trainer with blissey which gave me like 10-20k xp total to whole team. it's no brainless, bloated and stupid. also with nu-exp share there is no "oh shit, this pokemon is falling behind, I should give it some focus soon. maybe even in match ups that aren't just using SE attack button to win.". in recent games I just find myself having 2-3 core team members that can take care of 90% of fights while the rest just get pity battle here and there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:12:21 No.53289548 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289543
*so brainless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:13:18 No.53289557 Report

Quoted By: >>53289571 >>53289588

>>53289543
>in recent games I just find myself having 2-3 core team members that can take care of 90% of fights while the rest just get pity battle here and there
This is an even bigger problem in the old games so I have no clue what your point is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:16:04 No.53289571 Report

Quoted By: >>53289581

>>53289557
Maybe if you suck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:16:04 No.53289572 Report

Quoted By:

The executives that metaphorically cuckholdeded us by not letting us use all our digital pets in any game we want anymore deserve to be literally cuckolded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:17:24 No.53289581 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289571
>Maybe if you play like a retard on purpose?
ftfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:18:03 No.53289588 Report

Quoted By: >>53289596

>>53289557
my point is a need to use these pokemon even at times they are "un-optimal" since there is no rubberband mechanic to keep them at same level as other. so you are actively looking for opportunities to use them even if it is not the optimal SE match up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:19:01 No.53289595 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289531
true, I don't mind it as much as most, but sometimes you wanna take your sweeeeet time with it, yaknow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:19:03 No.53289596 Report

Quoted By: >>53289634

>>53289588
>since there is no rubberband mechanic to keep them at same level as other
ok but why would I need to keep them at the same level

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:24:08 No.53289627 Report

Quoted By:

>>53287775
Everything you said is true, but the cutscene complaint is also valid, because it generally makes replaying the game monotonous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:24:43 No.53289631 Report

Quoted By:

>it's a Kalostranny tries to convince everyone the games are super easy but you have to play in the most optimal manner else you're being retarded episode

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:25:09 No.53289634 Report

Quoted By: >>53289647

>>53289596
for the next gym/rival fight/villain boss/other strong trainer where they might get to finally shine? I just personally like to keep all my team mates at fairly similar level range and like to achieve that by actually using the pokemon instead of keeping it as a bench warmer. I'd prefer to use them fairly equally through playthrough instead of something like 90% for these 3 and 10% for the other 3. you know, I get to actually use it more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:27:03 No.53289647 Report

Quoted By: >>53289757

>>53289634
>for the next gym/rival fight/villain boss/other strong trainer where they might get to finally shine?
I can do this in the new games with the exp share so I don't see where the issue is.

>I'd prefer to use them fairly equally through playthrough
I can do this in the new games with the exp share so I don't see where the issue is.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:27:24 No.53289649 Report

Quoted By: >>53289666 >>53292070 >>53292859

Even with all the issues involving bugs and performance, SV will always be a better game than SWSH.

The music sector, character design and species design are always great.

Mega evolution is the Luxray of gimmicks, good design, shit competitively, but popular because people care more about designs than technical shit.

"It's not for you" is a shit argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:29:49 No.53289666 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289649
If a game has an open world it's automatically shit. Discussion ends there.
The only exceptions are sandbox games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:32:38 No.53289683 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286462
>>53286471
This

>>53286480
Only if utilized well. Which has only been done so in SM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:34:34 No.53289695 Report

Quoted By: >>53289721 >>53289757

this entire conversation is people arguing about how the game should be played because they're autistic.
raise as many or as few pokemon as you want, it doesn't matter. pokemon is not a hyper-difficult game to be optimized, it's a game for children and casuals. and at its best, pokemon trusts that the player will do things they find fun, because they are fun.
the idea of playing pokemon "incorrectly" wasn't a thing before forced exp. share and johtoddler butthurt. this is because gens 1 and 3-7, for all their faults, were flexible enough in their design to support multiple playstyles. wanna bumrush the game with your starter? go ahead. wanna collect as many pokemon as possible and fill the dex? more power to you. wanna spend a month farming berries? don't let me stop you.
it's only with the introduction of forced exp. share that the defense of "you're playing the game wrong" came into common use. because the games have lost the ability to accommodate different playstyles. by that metric it's clear that forced exp. share is objectively worse than any previous system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:37:52 No.53289712 Report

Quoted By:

>>53288982
Not VII. They stay under leveled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:38:46 No.53289718 Report

Quoted By:

>>53287744
>sun moon directly after it is so much more fun
agree
>and better looking
fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:39:10 No.53289721 Report

Quoted By: >>53289734

>>53289695
Nothing about the current exp share is stopping you from shooting yourself in the foot like you were doing before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:39:18 No.53289722 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289531
Not when it makes them OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:40:29 No.53289734 Report

Quoted By: >>53289752 >>53290007

>>53289721
if shooting myself in the foot doesn't make things any harder, am i really shooting myself in the foot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:42:56 No.53289752 Report

Quoted By: >>53289798 >>53289802 >>53289823

>>53289734
The game will be harder if you arbitrarily choose not to give your Pokemon EXP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:43:44 No.53289757 Report

Quoted By: >>53289773

>>53289647
issue is it gives me less of an incentive to actually do it. sure I can do it, but should I? with current system no. with old system yes because my pokemon needs his xp points to stay competitive with rest of team and I picked this pokemon for this playthrough and want to use it.

also like >>53289695 pointed out I don't really like how it is forced in latest games with no way to turn off. call it artificial difficulty or what not but I liked to have choice in things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:45:38 No.53289771 Report

Quoted By:

>>53288662
In USUM it can

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:45:45 No.53289773 Report

Quoted By: >>53289781 >>53289824

>>53289757
>issue is it gives me less of an incentive to actually do it
If the only "incentive" to use a Pokemon is just so it gain EXP then the game is poorly designed.

>sure I can do it, but should I?
Yeah, should I pointlessly train this lv16 Staravia when I already have a lv30 Monferno?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:47:06 No.53289781 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289773
you're right my pokemon should suck my dick after every win

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:49:22 No.53289798 Report

Quoted By: >>53289807

>>53289752
Harder how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:49:51 No.53289802 Report

Quoted By: >>53289807

>>53289752
The games never had a make xp out of thin air machine before.
>g-gen 1!!
It just split the existing xp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:50:02 No.53289804 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289531
*Forces

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:50:21 No.53289807 Report

Quoted By: >>53289821 >>53289825 >>53289867

>>53289798
The same way it was harder when you chose not to turn the EXP Share on.

>>53289802
>The games never had a make xp out of thin air machine before.
Yes, the games were badly designed before. I don't get your point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:52:20 No.53289821 Report

Quoted By: >>53289850

>>53289807
>The same way it was harder when you chose not to turn the EXP Share on.
Harder how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:52:38 No.53289823 Report

Quoted By: >>53289850

>>53289752
but i can't choose to not give them exp
because exp share is forced

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:52:55 No.53289824 Report

Quoted By: >>53289850

>>53289773
in older game if I am going through a cave with a fire or flying type in my team I sure am going to use it on on any non-rock type trainer I can.

current games just pick water type and press STAB button to clear everything ezpz. everyone gets xp pinata

>Yeah, should I pointlessly train this lv16 Staravia when I already have a lv30 Monferno?
I guess you want to cover for your monferno's ground weakness :^) but lvl16 staravia won't do a dink of damage on pokemon your lvl30 monferno is used to facing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:53:02 No.53289825 Report

Quoted By: >>53289850

>>53289807
My point is not using the EXP share isn't 'arbitrarily choosing not to give your Pokemon EXP'.
The EXP share, however, IS arbitrarily giving your Pokemon EXP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:56:36 No.53289845 Report

Quoted By: >>53289855

>>53289398
Sadly man ever since Sword and shield, the games haven't been real pokemon games anymore...

The second lets go pee pee was released, they showed they are willing to sacrifice any part of the series for shitty gimmicks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:57:21 No.53289850 Report

Quoted By: >>53289865 >>53289868 >>53289893 >>53289928 >>53290031

>>53289821
I dunno, ask the people whining about muh forced exp share.

>>53289823
>but i can't choose to not give them exp
Woah my Pokemon in the PC get exp?

>>53289824
>in older game if I am going through a cave with a fire or flying type in my team I sure am going to use it on on any non-rock type trainer I can.
I can do the same thing with the current exp share so I don't see the problem

>current games just pick water type and press STAB button to clear everything ezpz
This is still a problem in the old games

>>53289825
>My point is not using the EXP share isn't 'arbitrarily choosing not to give your Pokemon EXP'.
It is though. You're turning off the ability for your Pokemon to get EXP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:57:48 No.53289855 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289845
That was definitely a turning point, but the games still had the art style and kinda sorta level design. At this point all hope is lost and there's no turning back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:59:32 No.53289865 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289850
>Woah my Pokemon in the PC get exp?
the fuck am i gonna use if my pokemon are in the PC?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:59:41 No.53289867 Report

Quoted By: >>53289905

>>53289807
>Yes, the games were badly designed before. I don't get your point.
>Pokémon games were bad before because they didn’t give enough EXP!
>But also they were so easy because you could overlevel your Pokémon!
Classic, never change /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 19:59:43 No.53289868 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289850
>It is though. You're turning off the ability for your Pokemon to get EXP.
No, you're just not turning cheats on. For oven a decade and five generations of games the option to create xp out of thin air didn't exist. That's the standard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:03:18 No.53289893 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289850
>I dunno
You clearly do since not playing that way is being retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:04:51 No.53289905 Report

Quoted By: >>53289974

>>53289867
>>Pokémon games were bad before because they didn’t give enough EXP!
Didn't give enough EXP to my OTHER pokemon, yes.
>>But also they were so easy because you could overlevel your Pokémon!
Because they gave too much EXP to my ACTIVE pokemon, yes.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:08:04 No.53289928 Report

Quoted By: >>53289951

>>53289850
>It is though. You're turning off the ability for your Pokemon to get EXP.
See, this is how you KNOW it’s nu-gen shitter with this take.
To anyone who started with Gen 1-5 it’s clear that what ACTUALLY happened was gamefreak gave players the ability to multiply their EXP by several times for free, but the games were already easy enough so most people turned it off, then gamefreak REMOVED the option to turn it off, and so people got rightfully fucking pissed. Already easy games had their difficulty made WAY easier for no good reason.
And then retards like you, who grew up on the EXP share, come marching along talking about how previous games were “bad” for “giving less EXP”. You see it that way because for YOU, the super baby mode was the default, it was your normal. But you can’t admit that you’re a shitter so you contradict yourself and perform insane mental gymnastics to make it seem like the game is both too easy and too hard at the same time

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:10:41 No.53289941 Report

Quoted By: >>53289953

>>53286410
You would enjoy the games more if you didn't care so much about how others played it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:12:01 No.53289951 Report

Quoted By: >>53289985 >>53290007

>>53289928
You still have the option to shoot yourself in the foot for no reason.

>And then retards like you, who grew up on the EXP share
I started with gen 1 lmao

>come marching along talking about how previous games were “bad” for “giving less EXP”.
Correct, because it’s objectively bad game design and kills any reason to use more than 1 party member

Have (You) considered that the only reason (You) think bad game design is the default is because you’re a retarded zoomer who has played zero RPGs outside of Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:12:38 No.53289953 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289941
refer to the first sentence of >>53289918

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:15:04 No.53289974 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289905
Gee, maybe try switching your active Pokémon instead of investing all your EXP into one mon like a shitter. YOU’RE the trainer and that USED to mean actually TRAINING your Pokémon WILLINGLY. Like you have to actually figure out when and where you wanna be investing EXP into your dudes, which battles they’ll be best for. Not anymore tho, EXP share is equivalent of fucking cruise control in that regard, just fill your party and watch the numbers go up! So fun!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:16:03 No.53289985 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289951
Other RPGs actually have a reason to give you lots of exp unlike Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:19:00 No.53290007 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289951
>You still have the option to shoot yourself in the foot for no reason.
see >>53289734

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:22:46 No.53290031 Report

Quoted By: >>53290045

>>53289850
>>in older game if I am going through a cave with a fire or flying type in my team I sure am going to use it on on any non-rock type trainer I can.
>I can do the same thing with the current exp share so I don't see the problem
but why would I do that?

>>current games just pick water type and press STAB button to clear everything ezpz
>This is still a problem in the old games
but why would I do that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:25:23 No.53290045 Report

Quoted By: >>53290056 >>53290082 >>53290096

>>53290031
>But why would I do that?
To train Pokémon. It used to be a thing you had to go out of your way to do, like using mons in unfavourable match ups.
Nu-exp share does that for you, so I’m not surprised you don’t know this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:26:23 No.53290056 Report

Quoted By: >>53290076

>>53290045
>To train Pokémon
I can do that even more with the current exp share so I don’t see the problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:29:30 No.53290076 Report

Quoted By: >>53290080

>>53290056
>I can do that even more with the current exp share so I don’t see the problem
You can’t “do it more” you can do it EASIER, and THAT’S the problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:30:37 No.53290080 Report

Quoted By: >>53290145

>>53290076
> You can’t “do it more” you can do it EASIER
It’s not easier though. I can use the Pokemon equally as much as before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:31:08 No.53290082 Report

Quoted By:

>>53290045
>using mons in unfavourable match ups
Yep. It used to be that if you wanted to keep progressing evenly without grinding wild mons you'd have to fight trainers with a type disadvantage. Now you just throw whatever into the back of your party and it evolves by itself while you curbstomp with your starter / pseudo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:33:34 No.53290096 Report

Quoted By: >>53290185

>>53290045
anon I was quoting him quoting me... I am arguing for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:33:52 No.53290099 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286410
The shift away from the badge system in SMUSM was poorly executed and the games are worse off for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:42:25 No.53290145 Report

Quoted By: >>53290295

>>53290080
>It’s not easier though. I can use the Pokemon equally as much as before.
And yet if you don’t you’ll get exp anyway. You actively need to do less to train Pokémon, hence they are easier to train, very simple train of logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 20:48:26 No.53290185 Report

Quoted By:

>>53290096
MB, I’m watching a movie rn so I’m not paying full attention

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 21:06:44 No.53290295 Report

Quoted By: >>53290446

>>53290145
>And yet if you don’t you’ll get exp anyway
So?

>You actively need to do less to train Pokémon
Nothing is stopping you from using the Pokemon however much you want to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 21:26:21 No.53290412 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286462
I don't watch the anime, but isn't Ah way physically stronger than Red as well, he can carry Cosmoem, and a whole tree from what I heard.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 21:31:34 No.53290446 Report

Quoted By: >>53290470

>>53290295
The argument was about whether it’s easier to train Pokémon with the EXP share. It is, since Exp share let’s all party members get EXP for nothing. Do you deny this or don’t you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 21:35:47 No.53290470 Report

Quoted By: >>53290489

>>53290446
>It is
No it isn't. Pre-exp share I can train a Pokemon by using it 10 times. Post-exp share I can train a Pokemon by using it 10 times.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 21:37:52 No.53290489 Report

Quoted By: >>53290655

>>53290470
Motherfucker I CAN jump off a ledge 50 times in Mario, that doesn’t make the level hard. You actively NEED to do less with the EXP share, stop being obtuse you little faggot, admit it

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 21:40:10 No.53290502 Report

Quoted By: >>53290556 >>53290670 >>53290772 >>53291481 >>53293550 >>53295208

>>53286410
>level curve
I am so sick of this meme. Grind your team, you idiots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 21:51:14 No.53290556 Report

Quoted By:

>>53290502
>grinding
>in an rpg
>ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:01:11 No.53290603 Report

Quoted By: >>53290883

Rangers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mystery Dungeon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:09:18 No.53290651 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286410
The level cap should be way lower than it is. You have no evolutions to look forward to by the time you're halfway through the game and in some games you even stop learning new moves before the game ends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:09:56 No.53290655 Report

Quoted By: >>53290708

>>53290489
>You actively NEED to do less with the EXP share
I don't NEED to do more without the EXP share either.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:12:13 No.53290670 Report

Quoted By:

>>53290502
>Grind your team

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:18:48 No.53290708 Report

Quoted By: >>53290712

>>53290655
You NEED to either grind, switch train, or use the EXP share. Grinding takes time, switch training means one of your mons eats a hit at least once per battle, and the exp share takes up a held items slot and is also (for the first few Gens) a rare item that you need to obtain.
>Inb4 not a held item in gen 1
Turning on the exp all splits all exp evenly no matter what giving you no ability to even out levels or account for different leveling rates so it has downsides as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:19:38 No.53290712 Report

Quoted By: >>53290751

>>53290708
>You NEED to either grind, switch train, or use the EXP share
Or I could do none of those and accomplish exactly the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:25:07 No.53290751 Report

Quoted By:

>>53290712
>Pre exp share: If you never train any of your mons except one you get one over leveled mon
>Exp share: If you never train any of your mons expect one you get a whole team of trained mons
Not seeing how they’re the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:28:00 No.53290772 Report

Quoted By: >>53290797

>>53290502
>grinding
Depending on what game you’re playing and what team you’re using you won’t really need to grind, just use your battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:30:56 No.53290797 Report

Quoted By:

>>53290772
*brain

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:30:59 No.53290798 Report

Quoted By:

Moreso /vp/ than the whole community, but ORAS were actually pretty good games despite being shit remakes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:45:36 No.53290883 Report

Quoted By: >>53293596

>>53290603
>Actual normal videogame vs gimmicky touchscreen shit that inherently makes it not work on anything not with a touchscreen
Gee I don't know which one could be possibly better

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:49:16 No.53290894 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286410
Green is a shitty filler character nobody actually likes
Much moreso with the Hex Maniac

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 22:58:26 No.53290948 Report

Quoted By: >>53291065

>>53286410
>Emerald has a worse level curve than Johto.
I played Emerald recently, and that's not true. If anything Platinum does with how the elite4+Cynthia jacks up levels to a 10+ way if you haven't been overlevelling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 23:15:20 No.53291048 Report

Quoted By: >>53291094

>>53289431
>it's just games that release between the mainline games with a new region? But then wouldn't Legends start a new gen?
Orre in Gen 3 was a new region

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 23:16:52 No.53291065 Report

Quoted By:

>>53290948
Platinum literally has the best level curve in the series, the trainers are always 5ish levels below the gym leaders, then 5-10ish levels below the E4

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 23:17:11 No.53291066 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286442
Abdallabros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 23:22:14 No.53291094 Report

Quoted By: >>53291141

>>53291048
>non-canon spin-off garbage
no one cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 23:30:49 No.53291133 Report

Quoted By:

Gen 5 would've been the indisputibly best gen of all time had the franchise not tripped itself in every way possible

There was never anything wrong with BW only having BW mons until post-game

Every pokemon game has a regional bird/rodent/pikaclone/etc, and pokemon regularily reuses ideas in different ways (especially now with regional forms) and stuff like woobat = zubat, garbodor = muk, etc weren't a problem, it was just salty oldfags not being able to use Alakazam or whatever for the 3rd or 4th time in a row.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 23:31:26 No.53291141 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291094
Legends is also spin-off garbage, so thank you for agreeing with me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 23:32:46 No.53291154 Report

Quoted By:

>>53287762
>speedruns
Irrelevant to how a normal person plays and pursing a goal outside the context of the game.
Kids playing Red/Blue used only the starter
Kids playing the newer games use full teams
Simple as

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Anonymous Thu 23 Feb 2023 23:33:06 No.53291156 Report

Quoted By: >>53291507 >>53291823

>>53286410
Cinderace is the best starter in the franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:19:21 No.53291455 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289431
That's never been the definition of a generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:23:24 No.53291481 Report

Quoted By: >>53291499 >>53295208

>>53290502
johto's problem is that grinding takes far longer and is more tedious than in any other region because everything is so low level
you
fucking
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:24:45 No.53291488 Report

Quoted By:

>>53288112
Both of those are immune to psychic. You're thinking of the Zubats and Golbats they have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:26:35 No.53291498 Report

Quoted By: >>53291551 >>53291723 >>53293194 >>53293514

>>53286410
The 3DS era was severely overhated mostly due to XY and especially SM failing to live up to their respective potential, but their eventual redemption in the eyes of the fandom, especially after the Switch games, is fully deserved and not at all a supposed repetition of some cycle of only hating the last generation and liking the one before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:26:42 No.53291499 Report

Quoted By: >>53293511

>>53291481
This but replace Johto with Hoenn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:28:09 No.53291507 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291156
Kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:34:09 No.53291543 Report

Quoted By: >>53292028 >>53292199

>aieeee I need my EXP share or else the forces of nature FORCE ME to use only my starter wahhhhhhhhhhhh
It's completely easy to play through almost every pokemon game with a full team and have them all close if not over the level of whatever you are currently battling. Just switch in battle, it's not hard. The AI battles are so bad anyway that even if you somehow fell 10 levels behind you'd still have a shot because the AI would use a level 50 Weedle with poison sting. You don't have to grind. Forced EXP share exclusively panders to ADHD zoomers that haev to run through the game mashing "press X to awesome"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:35:01 No.53291546 Report

Quoted By: >>53293683

>>53286410
No one ever liked the battle facilities. The meme frontiers are popular because they have unique character sprites for the autistic plotfags, who have somehow convinced every "hardcore" fan that they have to like these facilities out of obligation despite their being neither fun nor engaging.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:35:28 No.53291551 Report

Quoted By: >>53291579

>>53291498
But XY is absolute shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:38:30 No.53291579 Report

Quoted By: >>53291605

>>53291551
Fuck you, XY is great

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:39:45 No.53291590 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286410
Game Freak are lazy and are doing the bare minimum. The reason they had to do a dex cute, the reason the graphics look 10 years old, the reason why the pokemon barely have animations, the reason they recycle bad looking animations is because people buy it anyway. The original pokemon stadium was released close to 24 years ago and the animations are better by a mile despite the obviously insane jump in tech. There is no excuse. People that continually make excuses for companies enable them to be lazy forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:41:03 No.53291605 Report

Quoted By: >>53291661 >>53293266

>>53291579
XY was good at the time because of the community aspect. It's not good now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:49:13 No.53291661 Report

Quoted By: >>53291685

>>53291605
xy was good at the time and is now because it had a very diverse nat dex and didnt just shove nu-mons down your dick hole. Sure there was a bit of kanto pandering but you really could just put together a team of all your bros and go skate through the country together.
it was almost as if it was the last time GF ever listened to us, with gen5 being such a kick to everyones dick, they said fuck it heres your stupid pokemons you like.

like the map sucked ass, but the story wasnt team aqua level retarded and was kind of cute. overall felt more like a story based rpg which was refreshing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:49:50 No.53291667 Report

Quoted By: >>53291867

>>53286462
they're the same character

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:50:30 No.53291671 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286410
>ITT: Facts the Pokémon community isn't ready to hear
okay.
pokemon is for autistic manchildren.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:52:41 No.53291685 Report

Quoted By: >>53291699

>>53291661
The Pokemon variety was good, but the map and roadblocks make it a chore to play through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:55:05 No.53291699 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291685
yes, you should be able to learn fly much earlier but ehh, ever since what, gen2 all the maps have been very linear, it's just so happens xy was the most linear to date but comparatively not much worse than 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 00:57:52 No.53291723 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291498
Agreed, I wasn’t a fan of either but I miss the pre-gen 8 era, it was so much better in hindsight

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:09:41 No.53291778 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286651
its my least favorite game yet and I hate every little change they did in the UI as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:14:45 No.53291814 Report

Quoted By:

>>53287949
>AGREED. I'm so fucking tired of hearing about DP's distribution was bad.

You won't stop hearing about it because it is fucking terrible. It is the worst dex in the franchise has ever known and I'm not even talking about fire types.

>dual slot mode opened up more pokemon
Post-game only after you get the natdex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:16:10 No.53291823 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291156
You spelled Meowscarada wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:21:37 No.53291867 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286410
>>53291667

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:25:03 No.53291890 Report

Quoted By: >>53291916 >>53292465 >>53293869

>>53286410
Gen III sucked as a whole.
>Ruby and Sapphire were the OG Dexit with EVERY old Pokemon cut
>Despite this being their chance to massively shake up the formula little was done to it leaving us with the same gameplay all these years later
>Too much water isn’t a meme, it almost ruins the region if it didn’t also have routes like 113 and 119.
>FRLG are some of the most soulless games in the series, they only exist to add back Kanto Pokemon and it really shows.
>Emerald is alright but overhyped. Wallace is less cool than Steven and the Battle Frontier is cool until you actually play it with your shit IV Pokemon
>Colosseum and XD require massive speed up to be playable
>Pokemon Box is the only storage expansion until Bank to just be storage and nothing else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:29:28 No.53291916 Report

Quoted By: >>53293823

>>53291890
>FRLG are some of the most soulless games in the series, they only exist to add back Kanto Pokemon and it really shows.
>Colosseum and XD require massive speed up to be playable
dont forget you have to buy those 2 GCN games to get (most) Johto mons, and that james turner came from that team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:46:10 No.53292028 Report

Quoted By: >>53292046

>>53291543
>xp share is bad
>you should intentionally play wrong to make it good
Just ask for less total xp you tard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:48:38 No.53292046 Report

Quoted By: >>53292066 >>53292081

>>53292028
>using more than one pokemon is "playing wrong"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:50:49 No.53292066 Report

Quoted By: >>53292095 >>53292124

>>53292046
Yes in the old gens playing with more than one Pokemon is playing bad on purpose, hence why all kids in the 90s had teams of Charizard and a pidgey to fly on. The path of least resistance shouldn’t be using one Poke and unless you totally overhaul the damage formula it always would be.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:51:15 No.53292070 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289649
>The music sector, character design and species design are always great.
>In SV
Anon, you can't go fishing in SV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:52:09 No.53292081 Report

Quoted By: >>53292088

>>53292046
using more than one pokemon IS playing wrong, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:53:01 No.53292088 Report

Quoted By: >>53292102

>>53292081
Then why do they let you catch more than one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:53:36 No.53292095 Report

Quoted By:

>>53292066
the "path of least resistance" isn't fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:54:29 No.53292099 Report

Quoted By:

exp share should've been standard from the start with the game balanced around it. nobody would complain. too late for that though so it should be optional.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:54:51 No.53292102 Report

Quoted By: >>53292116

>>53292088
Because you think that just because you can do something that you must

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:57:03 No.53292116 Report

Quoted By:

>>53292102
Because it's more fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:58:09 No.53292124 Report

Quoted By: >>53292129 >>53292152 >>53292173

>>53292066
So you play like an 8-year-old as an adult? With a single overleveled starter, HM slave, and a legendary?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 01:59:00 No.53292129 Report

Quoted By: >>53292136

>>53292124
mentally he is still a child

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:00:34 No.53292136 Report

Quoted By:

>>53292129
That explains it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:03:03 No.53292152 Report

Quoted By: >>53292173

>>53292124
nta but there is no such thing as "playing fucking pokemon like an adult," you're just a loser

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:05:56 No.53292173 Report

Quoted By: >>53292195

>>53292124
see >>53292152
also I dont have time to give a shit about playing by some moral code

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:08:32 No.53292195 Report

Quoted By:

>>53292173
What moral code? It's just playing the game and making your own fun.
If you were that low on time, you wouldn't be playing the games over and over anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:09:40 No.53292199 Report

Quoted By: >>53292214 >>53292218 >>53292263

>>53291543
>It's completely easy to play through almost every pokemon game with a full team
ok but why would I do that if there's no exp share

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:12:04 No.53292214 Report

Quoted By: >>53292272

>>53292199
it's fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:12:34 No.53292218 Report

Quoted By: >>53292272

>>53292199
Why would you do it even with an exp share? Starters already have above-average stats. No reason to ever put one down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:13:54 No.53292228 Report

Quoted By: >>53292236 >>53292260

There isn't a single person on this board who enjoys Pokémon for what it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:14:36 No.53292236 Report

Quoted By:

>>53292228
I do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:18:09 No.53292260 Report

Quoted By: >>53294360

>>53292228
I enjoyed it for what it was

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:18:34 No.53292263 Report

Quoted By: >>53292272

>>53292199
>ok but why would I do that if there's no exp share
Because it's fucking fun and literally the point of the game to train of a full team of dudes, not because you have to, and DEFINITELY NOT because the game kissed my ass for it every step along the way. You just do it because it's a game about being a pokemon trainer, and part of that meant actively training each individual one and not letting them be carried by one OP powerhouse the whole game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:19:45 No.53292272 Report

Quoted By: >>53292461

>>53292214
It's more fun if there's an exp share.

>>53292218
>Why would you do it even with an exp share?
To get an advantage in battle.

>>53292263
>Because it's fucking fun
It's more fun if there's an exp share.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:42:36 No.53292390 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286410
Gen 2 was the best gen, almost solely because of the strength of the art direction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:55:55 No.53292461 Report

Quoted By: >>53292765

>>53292272
What advantage? You can just solo every game with your starter regardless. Stop playing like a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 02:56:17 No.53292465 Report

Quoted By: >>53294230

>>53291890
Holy zoom zoom!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 03:50:49 No.53292765 Report

Quoted By:

>>53292461
The level of cope you guys stoop to over this is embarrassing
>my starter can be brute forced through the game if I feed it items repeatedly
>this is the same as my starter outclassing every Pokemon I could possibly catch for the entire game unless I intentionally disrupt that game flow

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 03:56:30 No.53292795 Report

Quoted By:

>>53289476
optional areas still exist after the removal of HMs retard. did you never catch Rockruff, Mareanie, or Tapu Bulu in SM without looking it up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 03:58:35 No.53292806 Report

Quoted By: >>53293849

>>53289175
if you replaced SM with USUM i'd agree with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 04:08:40 No.53292859 Report

Quoted By: >>53293441

>>53289649
>SV will always be a better game than SWSH
name the things SV actually does better than, asshat
the way is see it, it's just swsh except they managed to cut even more corner this time

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 04:10:05 No.53292866 Report

Quoted By:

>>53287762
this is why Stadium is so good
using only one pokemon just won't work
at one point or another, you're going to need another pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 04:51:59 No.53293059 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286462
>Ash would demolish Red
Ash would have NOTHING to beat his Charizard X.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 05:22:16 No.53293194 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291498
Why do people get up in arms about the Pokemon cycle anyway

XY / SM reception was average at worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 05:40:58 No.53293266 Report

Quoted By: >>53294885

>>53291605
>[game] was good at the time because of the community aspect. It's not good now.
Congrats, you described the entire series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 05:58:28 No.53293333 Report

Quoted By:

Gates to Infinity had a better story than Explorers of Sky.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 06:26:36 No.53293441 Report

Quoted By: >>53293546

>>53292859
>Ideas
The idea of having 3 different paths is way better than the same linear and boring "8 gyms" path.
>The story
The difference is that SWSH's thing is "good ideas, but bad execution" (even Rose's plan proves that), while SV is "good ideas and good execution".
>The gimmick
Terastal compared to Dynamax suffers the same problem as Dynamax compared to Megashit, the former is better in terms of technical shit and the latter benefits from having a better concept. In terms of new designs, Paradox pokemon are way better than Gigantamax pokemon.
>Characters and rivals
All the main characters in SV are well written, SWSH only has Hop as a decent character.
>The joke villain team
Team Yell had a smart plan, but it's another case of "good ideas, but bad execution". Team Star does everything, but better.
>The final fight
Hop's shitty team (+ legendary) doesn't come close to the final battle against Sada or Turo.
>Ride
The legendary ride is better than SWSH's bike and has more functions, such as climbing and gliding.

Subjective, but we finally have a 3D game (which is not a remake or a spinoff) that doesn't excessively dicksuck a region or a pokemon species. And I can't wait for the DLC to ruin everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 06:47:37 No.53293511 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291499
No he was right with Johto

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 06:48:44 No.53293514 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291498
>but their eventual redemption in the eyes of the fandom
If anything people hate them more now than they did back then, especially around here where the first year of XY was actually received somewhat well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:00:40 No.53293546 Report

Quoted By: >>53293553 >>53293624 >>53295913

>>53293441
>The idea of having 3 different paths is way better than the same linear and boring "8 gyms" path
and it's completely squandered by having no scaling
try again scatshill
>the gimmick
it's all just powercreep cancer
idk why you're trying to pretend some are better than others
>Paradox pokemon are way better than Gigantamax pokemon
lmao, "let's glue pink spikes on donpahn and call it a new pokemon!" and "let's give misdreavus longer hair and call it a new pokemon!" is some of the laziest shit they have ever done. it's not really any less lazy than gigantamx
>the story
>the characters
>the villain team
>the rivals
lmao, this is what you praising? who the fuck plays turns on a pokemon game and goes "i'm going to play this game for story and characters! that's TOTALLY what pokemon games should be about!"? faggot shill
>The final fight
you mean that one that's scripted so that you always win? lmao. that's not anything to brag about
>Ride
i will somewhat concede here but it's not like this automatically makes up for the trash heap that is the rest of the game

these are some of the weakest praises i have ever seen for any pokemon game, hot damn
hang yourself scatshill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:03:15 No.53293550 Report

Quoted By: >>53293573

>>53290502
but the johto problem is that you're going to be overleveled in whatever second path you take

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:03:43 No.53293553 Report

Quoted By: >>53293558

>>53293546
This entire post is disingenuous as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:04:50 No.53293558 Report

Quoted By: >>53293561 >>53297923

>>53293553
>This entire post is disingenuous as fuck
>doesn't explain why
i accept your concession, scatshill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:06:19 No.53293561 Report

Quoted By: >>53293569

>>53293558
>His post
the final battle against Sada or Turo

>Your post
you mean that one that's scripted so that you always win?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:06:22 No.53293563 Report

Quoted By:

There should have been a "dexcut" every two generations. We all knew that it was going to happen eventually, and that the longer they put it off, the more it would sting. It would have been better to make it a regular thing, like a rotation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:08:26 No.53293569 Report

Quoted By: >>53293615

>>53293561
>you mean that one that's scripted so that you always win?
but it is
the game gives you free omni stat boost for no reason
the game at first prevents you from using tera but then suddenly you CAN use it for no reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:09:06 No.53293573 Report

Quoted By:

>>53293550
You should only end up overleveled for 1 or 2 gym leaders at most since it picks right back up as soon as you get to Clair’s

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:14:03 No.53293596 Report

Quoted By:

>>53290883
So the complaint here is that the game is designed to be played on the only device it was ever released on, am I getting that right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:14:30 No.53293601 Report

Quoted By: >>53293611

>>53289479
Nuzlockes are retarded this is true if you guys want to play a hard version of Pokemon just play smt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:16:19 No.53293611 Report

Quoted By: >>53293634

>>53293601
elaborate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:18:31 No.53293615 Report

Quoted By: >>53293633

>>53293569
Sada and Turo aren't the scripted fight you retard, he's obviously referring to the trainer battle before the cutscene fight you are talking about. There is no possible way you can legitimately misconstrue it because he said the fucking character names, you are just actively being retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:21:13 No.53293624 Report

Quoted By: >>53293667

>>53293546
The only thing swshit mogs sv on is character art style gen 9 has the ugly pokemon snap 2 human designs
Also the final fight in sv is against the professors which anon even said and you chose to bring up the dumb scripted battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:22:23 No.53293633 Report

Quoted By: >>53293636

>>53293615
>he's obviously referring to the trainer battle before the cutscene fight you are talking about
calling that the final battle when it's actually not a final battle is disingenuous then

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:22:38 No.53293634 Report

Quoted By: >>53294100

>>53293611
On what ?do you not know what smt is?/vp/ only playing Pokemon games is a joke right ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:23:52 No.53293636 Report

Quoted By: >>53293647

>>53293633
No?he clearly said the names you're just retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:26:50 No.53293647 Report

Quoted By: >>53293667

>>53293636
i just double checked and there is a fight against sada/turo that has a scripted omni stat boost and it's the fight that happens RIGHT before the credits

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:31:58 No.53293667 Report

Quoted By: >>53293674

>>53293624
>Also the final fight in sv is against the professors which anon even said and you chose to bring up the dumb scripted battle
the final fight against the professors IS the scripted battle >>53293647

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:34:23 No.53293674 Report

Quoted By: >>53293678

>>53293667
The post swsh nat dex shit has made the frothing fandom so retarded I can't even tell if you're baiting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:35:57 No.53293678 Report

Quoted By: >>53293688

>>53293674
tell me what fight you are talking about then
if a fight that happens right before the credits somehow ISN'T the final fight by your definition, then what is? this is a genuine question

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:36:43 No.53293683 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291546
Battle Factory was cool because you didn't have to do shit but git gud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:38:15 No.53293688 Report

Quoted By: >>53293706

>>53293678
This is the literal definition of disingenuous. You're muddying the convo for no reason, there is
>Final trainer battle against Sada/Turo
>Cutscene scripted battle
He clearly is talking about the 2nd last fight but the last actual boss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:44:27 No.53293706 Report

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>>53293688
>>Final trainer battle against Sada/Turo
you mean the one where they use all the 6 paradox mons of their respective game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:46:46 No.53293715 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286462
Fine I'll bite.

>Ash would demolish Red
Yeah this was the case from the end of Sinnoh onwards really.
>XY was the peak of the anime and everyone hating it right now are just contrarians
the animation was stiff choppy and abused the cgi backgrounds to cover it up. Also Ash had the charisma of a cinderblock.
>Amourshipping is the most compelling ship in any Pokemon media
There are no compelling ships in Pokemon media

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:48:49 No.53293726 Report

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The Sun and Moon anime was better than XY in every imaginable aspect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 07:59:53 No.53293770 Report

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>>53286410
The gameplay is fundamentally flawed and in order for pokémon games to be good it has to be entirely reworked. PLA was a step in the right direction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 08:16:46 No.53293823 Report

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>>53291916
You do not have to buy Colosseum and XD to get Johto mons.
>Hoenn dex has Chinchou, Natu, Marill, Wobbuffet, Girafarig, Heracross, Slugma, Corsola, Skarmory, & Phanpy
>Prof. gives choice of starter trio in Emerald for obtaining dex
>Emerald Safari Zone has Hoothoot, Ledyba, Spinarak, Mareep, Aipom, Sunkern, Wooper, Pineco, Snubbull, Shuckle, Teddiursa, Remoraid, Houndour, Stantler, & Larvitar
>Battle Frontier has Sudowoodo & Smeargle
>Cross-gen evos and babies trivially obtainable in Kanto
>Sevii Islands has Sentret, Ledyba, Spinarak, Togepi, Natu, Marill, Hoppip, Yanma, Wooper,
Murkrow, Unown, Wobbuffet, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, Heracross, Sneasel, Slugma, Swinub, Remoraid, Delibird, Mantine, Skarmory, Phanpy, Larvitar
>Beasts roam Kanto
>Lugia, Ho-Oh, & Celebi closest exceptions, but they have events - the birds in particular have a special area in FRLG & E
That's all of them, no Gamecube required.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 08:26:44 No.53293849 Report

Quoted By: >>53293861

>>53292806
>more hallways and ruins Lusamine
No you dumb fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 08:30:58 No.53293861 Report

Quoted By:

>>53293849
it has an extra battle facility, move tutors, a new mini game, more pokemon to catch without needing to transfer, etc.
idk why you care about lusamine so much more than those other things

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 08:34:04 No.53293869 Report

Quoted By:

>>53291890
Yeah let me just fix this.
>>Ruby and Sapphire were the OG Dexit with EVERY old Pokemon cut
Literally zero pokemon were cut
>>Despite this being their chance to massively shake up the formula little was done to it leaving us with the same gameplay all these years later
The game was completely overhauled giving us several systems still used today and it gave us double battles, the format the game is predominantly designed around.
>>Too much water isn’t a meme, it almost ruins the region if it didn’t also have routes like 113 and 119.
It very much is a meme, very little of the water areas are mandatory and between that and the surf speed it's one of the shortest water segments in any pokemon game.
>>FRLG are some of the most soulless games in the series, they only exist to add back Kanto Pokemon and it really shows.
Subjective bur if that were the case the sevii Islands wouldn't exist.
>>Emerald is alright but overhyped. Wallace is less cool than Steven and the Battle Frontier is cool until you actually play it with your shit IV Pokemon
Subjective, again. But those aren't the only two changes made to the game not to mention perfect IV pokemon weren't necessary for the BF.
>>Colosseum and XD require massive speed up to be playable
No they play fine at normal speed
>>Pokemon Box is the only storage expansion until Bank to just be storage and nothing else
And that's outright false. In fact Box is the only storage expansion that was a real pokemon game on account of having emulated versions of RS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 08:43:17 No.53293892 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286462
I agree with the first one, the rest is amourfag delusion

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 09:59:30 No.53294100 Report

Quoted By:

>>53293634
How does playing a game with a completely different gameplay loop and battle system and different monster designs do anything to tickle the same itch as playing a pokemon hard mode challenge a la nuzlocke, deathless etc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 10:20:43 No.53294177 Report

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>>53287838
I wish nothing but suffering and pain to the family of whoever decided you would need another game to get a pokemon's evolution from there.

The Magby/Magmortar situation is literally no different from the free slowpoke they give you in SwSh requiring the DLC to evolve. It disgusts me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 10:27:15 No.53294230 Report

Quoted By: >>53297871

>>53292465
cope more lil bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 10:44:56 No.53294360 Report

Quoted By:

>>53292260
You have no idea how little that matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 10:56:11 No.53294451 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286410
This is a fact that /vp/ is not ready to face:
Black people are inherently bad and they are the bane of the actual society, sending all of them back to africa would be cheaper than having to deal with their shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 11:10:08 No.53294550 Report

Quoted By: >>53294713 >>53295265 >>53295933 >>53296007 >>53296045 >>53297198

>>53289249
>>53289307
Then let me elaborate.
Diamond and Pearl
>Reintroduce and greatly expand upon all the time and day-based functions from Gen II compared to Gen III which cut out most of that functionality, hell, even most outdoor areas get two themes whether it's day or night
>Completely restored and improved upon Crystal's online features with Wi-Fi and made it international
>Use the Vs. Seeker for rematches, which is superior to the PokéGear and PokéNav and affects all Trainers, not just select ones
>Retain pretty much all Gen III mechanics like Abilities, Natures, Secret Bases, Contests, etc.
>Have in-game events for its mythicals. Manaphy is memorable for being the only egg like that and being tied to Ranger, and even Phinone is memorable as the only mythical Pokémon you can obtain through breeding, even if it's comparatively lacking in other regards
>Have some of the best dungeons in the series
>Let you complete the seen section of the Sinnoh Pokédex on your own, including the other version Legendary and Manaphy
>Had the most difficult Pokémon League at the time
>Have one of the most expansive post-games in terms of features, areas, and Pokémon unlocked, jumping from 151 to ~442 (missing are previous Gen starters/Legendaries/mythicals, Tropius, and Tangela/Tangrowth), compares to Gen III which was a completely piecemeal experience of filling the Pokédex from game to game before Wi-Fi was even present

The flaws people name for DP feel like nitpicks to me.
>Only two Fire lines pre-National Dex
So? There were 17 types, you were always playing without 5 types at any given time anyway.
>You need two HM slaves
Like any Pokémon game with 5+ HMs (I can get into HMs in another post)
>Surfing is slow
If this was Hoenn, I'd get that, but there's very little surfing in Sinnoh
>Slow route mechanics like deep snow and marsh
Which I loved because they added to the immersion. The game's is about taking your time, your rival's character flaw is his impatience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 11:33:29 No.53294713 Report

Quoted By: >>53294730 >>53295405 >>53296056

>>53294550
>Only a Battle Tower after the Battle Frontier
I don't get anything out of battle facilities, they're all boring grindfests to me. The thing I like the most about Battle Frontier is the new music, areas, and NPCs.

Now for HMs
There is literally no need to ever have a specific type of obstacle past the point you get the method to remove that type of obstacle if you can readily use that method at any given time without any inconvenience. You're just wasting time. At that point, the initial obstacles serve as nothing but progression blocks. With Pokémon's growing linearity, HMs became rewards arbitrarily tied to story progression. In this way, they are no different from arbitrary NPC blocks. While you had to beat the Kimono Girls to get Surf in Gen II, the story didn't make you do this. You did it on your own and were rewarded with the means to cross the sea which allowed you to progress your adventure, giving you a sense of agency. Not to mention that if you happened to pass by an area with surfing that wasn't necessary and you didn't have the appropriate Pokémon on you, you weren't just given the reward. But players who made the conscious decision to focus on overworld adventuring at the cost of full party viability would be rewarded with the discovery. Pokémon is not so difficult that I actually need a full team of 6 to do anything, the optimal way to play will always be with an overleveled starter and anything more is busy work done by players who have the anime as their frame of reference for how the games should be. The more they try to make Pokémon resemble the anime, the less I like it.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 11:35:46 No.53294730 Report

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>>53294713
HMs should be included in the game and have inconvenience tied to using them so that the later rewards for having them don't feel like participation prizes. I want my own agency in my adventure game, I want to feel like making a decision based on utility will reward me in ways that other players may not experience. I hate the feeling of everyone getting the same experience and the differences coming from character customization and party composition. Both of those things are surface level, practically aesthetic. If Pokémon allowed its Battle Tower rules for the main story as a difficulty setting, maybe I would start caring about battle facilities and team composition more, but for now it just feels like something completely disconnected from the main game to the point you have to build an entirely new team just to achieve anything in them no matter how you built your main story team.

And back to DP vs Emerald, I played both as they came out, and I remember far more disappointment playing Emerald than I did Diamond. In fact, I remember more moments in Diamond that impressed me than I did in Emerald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 11:52:59 No.53294825 Report

Quoted By:

>>53286534
Oww the redge

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 12:01:09 No.53294877 Report

Quoted By: >>53296610

>>53286480
Literally just make it optional, that’s all we want

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 12:02:13 No.53294885 Report

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>>53293266
XY was a unique game because it was the first worldwide release and was on a console that had not yet been hacked. Everyone was discovering aspects of the game at the same time, it wasn't all datamined a week before launch.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 12:10:13 No.53294927 Report

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legends arceus is the single worst modern pokemon game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 12:19:58 No.53294990 Report

Quoted By: >>53297855

>>53286462
Seethe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:02:16 No.53295208 Report

Quoted By: >>53295365

>>53290502
>>53291481
>Needing to grind
>Pokemon games
How can anyone be this bad at childrens games? You don't need to grind.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:13:23 No.53295265 Report

Quoted By:

>>53294550
Based Sinnoh appreciator
Too many people dismiss Sinnoh as bad for superficial reasons like the games being a little slow or the existence of HMs which are honestly not any more of a problem than they were in Gens 2 and 3.

I’ve always felt that DPP are some of the best games in the series, the adventure in lengthy and you’re largely given free reign to explore at your leisure - I especially enjoy everything between getting your bike and getting the secret potion, the mid game is so open and full of possibilities, it’s great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:20:48 No.53295299 Report

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>>53286534
>Ash throws out his pikachu into ground types
Red also beat Brock with Pikachu but he didn't have the excuse of sprinklers like the anime had.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:22:03 No.53295304 Report

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Postgame is not that important.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:33:00 No.53295365 Report

Quoted By: >>53295421

>>53295208
Look, we all know that the only way for things to be fair is for the player to have the level advantage across their entire party with total knowledge of the upcoming Trainer's team so you can also counter all their types. That's why battling Red in Gen II is bad game design. What, do they expect me to overcome a nearly 20 level gap entirely through good playing? Do they not expect me to have a 100% win rate? Do they think this guy is some sort of "superboss" or something? Get it through your heads Game Freak. If we lose a battle, the game is TOO DIFFICULT. We have to win 100% of the time, that's a fair, challenging difficulty if there is no chance of failure. It makes me feel like a real champion who has overcome insurmountable odds when the game praises me as a prodigy for mashing A through everything for 12 hours to reach the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:41:35 No.53295405 Report

Quoted By: >>53295853

>>53294713
>the optimal way to play will always be with an overleveled starter and anything more is busy work done by players who have the anime as their frame of reference for how the games should be.
you just had to be retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:43:50 No.53295421 Report

Quoted By: >>53295513

>>53295365
I understand that your post is sarcasm but I also want to point out that people (idiot normalfags) tend to forget that level gaps become more and more meaningless the further through the gake you get. For example, a level 5 is going to struggle against a level 10, but a level 60 will do just fine against a level 65, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:46:07 No.53295438 Report

Quoted By: >>53295853

>>53286569
>>53287762
So anon, did you play your first SV playthrough like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 13:56:32 No.53295513 Report

Quoted By:

>>53295421
Yea I also notice this. The amount of time I’ve seen people bitch about the later battles in Pokémon being too overleveled because they’re 15 levels higher is crazy, a level 65 is to a level 50 as a level 26 is to a level 20. The RATIO just isn’t that extreme, and ratios are what actually matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 14:53:30 No.53295853 Report

Quoted By: >>53295974

>>53295405
>>53295438
I didn't play SV, the newest game I played was SM in 2016. I had trouble towards the end around Ultra Space Lusamine and pre-League Gladion, but my team was full of shitters that I caught for utility and I intentionally leveled everything up equally without the intent of overleveling (no Exp. Share). If I had just used my Decidueye the entire way through the game I would have easily beat everything. But every time I try this in a game it's boring. Before I'd have 2 overleveled Pokémon, 2 decent level ones for backup, and 2 utility slaves, and that worked. Pokédex literally is optimally designed around overleveling one single thing and then just steamrolling the entire game. The highest level Pokémon in SM is level 70, what's that going to do against something 20+ levels higher than it? But BW, XY, and SM I tried the equal leveling party of 6 thing and it never felt like natural.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 15:05:36 No.53295913 Report

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>>53293546
>nooooooooo it's a meme argument!
>nooooooooooo it doesn't count!
you first swshill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 15:08:35 No.53295933 Report

Quoted By:

>>53294550
Easy
>>Reintroduce and greatly expand upon all the time and day-based functions from Gen II compared to Gen III which cut out most of that functionality, hell, even most outdoor areas get two themes whether it's day or night
Objective flaw. They were reduced heavily in gen 3 and every gen after 4 because no one wants to deal with arbitrary wait times for something as basic as a single pokemon or item. Not to mention like you said this came from Gen 2 hardly a return to form by any stretch of the imagination.
>>Completely restored and improved upon Crystal's online features with Wi-Fi and made it international
Not really a return to form as much as it was a natural evolution of existing features.
>>Use the Vs. Seeker for rematches, which is superior to the PokéGear and PokéNav and affects all Trainers, not just select ones
Not only is the VS seeker, much like every good feature in gen 4, a gen 3 addition it's RNG dependant making it objectively flawed over other rematch methods that aren't.
>>Retain pretty much all Gen III mechanics like Abilities, Natures,
These are the same
>Secret Bases, Contests
These were changed drastically becoming a shadow of their former selves removing the aspects people enjoyed such as the unique base layouts, sharing bases and the majority of the mechanics in Contests such as move combos.
Also the game corner went back to two games and the BF was removed until platinum where again it was a shadow of its former self with less variety than the original
>>Have in-game events for its mythicals.
Most games until gen 6 did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 15:14:14 No.53295974 Report

Quoted By: >>53296454

>>53295853
So why didn't you chose to play the most optimal way on your first playthrough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 15:20:24 No.53296007 Report

Quoted By:

>>53294550
>Manaphy is memorable for being the only egg like that and being tied to Ranger, and even Phinone is memorable as the only mythical Pokémon you can obtain through breeding, even if it's comparatively lacking in other regards
The problem with that was that manaphy was only obtainable once per cart with the original ranger, it wasn't until much later that you could transfer it infinitely.
As in if you bought the game used and someone already used it to get manaphy that cart couldn't be used again to obtain manaphy.
Meanwhile the colosseum disc and channel could be used to get the celebi and jirachi infinitely.
>>Have some of the best dungeons in the series
Sinnoh swings too far in the opposite direction the modern games do in that the dungeons feel tedious to go through due to the overuse of HMs especially after the mid point of the game.
>>Let you complete the seen section of the Sinnoh Pokédex on your own, including the other version Legendary and Manaphy
That's an objective flaw, it cut out a chunk of cross gen evolutions and transferring until you did it meaning that if you missed a trainer along the way that had a rare pokemon that you need to see you have to scour the region for said trainer or attempt to catch a pokemon with a low encounter rate.
>>Had the most difficult Pokémon League at the time
It was probably one of the easiest given the tools at your disposal in that a lot of Sinnoh mon power crept the game at that point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 15:27:27 No.53296045 Report

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>>53294550
>>Have one of the most expansive post-games in terms of features, areas, and Pokémon unlocked, jumping from 151 to ~442 (missing are previous Gen starters/Legendaries/mythicals, Tropius, and Tangela/Tangrowth),
I like how you're trying to say arbitrarily locking pokemon away behind a mundane task is a good thing when it was hated in the previous game to do it FRLG. In any case the post game isn't as expansive as you seem to think given that it only adds a handful of things to the game
The three new areas
Transfers
The tower
And a few legends, not counting regigigas of course because you couldn't access it without the use of RSE since you need the three Regis to awaken it which was disappointing to say the least since the Regis were such a unique hunt and something no other pokemon game has done since with exception to ORAS of course.
>compares to Gen III which was a completely piecemeal experience of filling the Pokédex from game to game before Wi-Fi was even present
That's not what peacemeal means, once you finish RSE, that's it, you have access to literally everything the game has to offer, no tasks to complete to do it.
The "see every pokemon" would be peacemealing content since its a restriction upon the usual restriction of completing the game.

And let's not forget about how slow the game was and how pokemon were forever changed from just monsters to these magical deities that people has to revere and respect or else, and I'm not just talking about the poke gods, the lore behind pokemon was changed with the stories in the canalave library which also suggested that humans and pokemon were once the same.

Needless to say DP was the furthest thing from a return to form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 15:29:32 No.53296056 Report

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>>53294713
>I don't get anything out of battle facilities, they're all boring grindfests to me
That's because you never played the original clearly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 16:32:50 No.53296454 Report

Quoted By: >>53296663

>>53295974
Because everyone kept saying that the best way to play was to have a party of 6 that you switch between and I tried it with each entry and each time it felt like pointless busy work. Not only that, but the more they reduce the importance of HMs, the less party members I have dedicated to using them which means I have to come up with more filler. I haven't played Black, X, or Sun a second time either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 16:39:02 No.53296484 Report

Quoted By: >>53296545

Remember: this anon has previously said that he does not know how to make his own fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 16:43:56 No.53296518 Report

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>>53287814
and just using 1 Pokemon so you don't have to deal with chip damage is better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 16:47:31 No.53296545 Report

Quoted By: >>53296557

>>53296484
Which anon?

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 16:48:57 No.53296557 Report

Quoted By:

>>53296545
The one who claims using more than one Pokemon is "playing like a retard"
If it's not 100% optimal to him, it's wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 16:59:17 No.53296610 Report

Quoted By: >>53296622 >>53296727

>>53294877
No. Because the community collectively sees it as a difficulty toggle and it will create problems because the older community will insist it is the “real” way to play and will devolve into “you didn’t beat the game” bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 17:01:11 No.53296622 Report

Quoted By: >>53296694

>>53296610
Who cares what other people think? It's a singleplayer game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 17:07:57 No.53296663 Report

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>>53296454
You didn't answers the question properly. Why aren't you playing them the optimal way anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 17:12:31 No.53296694 Report

Quoted By: >>53296779 >>53296806

>>53296622
Delusional, Pokemon has always thrived on the community element.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 17:16:37 No.53296727 Report

Quoted By:

>>53296610
>No. Because the community collectively sees it as a difficulty toggle and it will create problems because the older community will insist it is the “real” way to play and will devolve into “you didn’t beat the game” bullshit
As deserved, yes. Any real pokemon fan would jump at the opportunity to train their mons properly

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 17:22:55 No.53296779 Report

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>>53296694
Yeah, in multiplayer. Is your ego that fragile that you can't handle someone calling you a shitter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 17:26:53 No.53296806 Report

Quoted By: >>53297854

>>53296694
Not him but while that's true you're confusing community and socialising with multiplayer.
Pokemon is predominantly played for its single player content, exploring, finding pokemon and other secrets while those who partake in multiplayer, beyond getting version exclusives, is relatively small.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 18:39:42 No.53297198 Report

Quoted By: >>53297250

>>53294550
>>Reintroduce and greatly expand upon all the time and day-based functions
1. Day/night isn't a good feature.
2. This isn't a "return to form" when only 1/3 gens in the series had it..

>Completely restored and improved upon Crystal's online features with Wi-Fi
Except the Wi-Fi is complete dogshit compared to other DS games and the only reason other games don't have it is due to technical limitations.

>>Retain pretty much all Gen III mechanics like Abilities, Natures, Secret Bases, Contests, etc.
While making them worse, yes.

>Have in-game events for its mythicals
This doesn't make the game better than Gen III when Gen III already had in-game events.

>>Have some of the best dungeons in the series
All of them are strictly worse than Gen III's.

>>Let you complete the seen section of the Sinnoh Pokédex on your own,
This isn't impressive when the Pokedex is tinier and it's literally a requirement for even accessing the postgame.

>>Had the most difficult Pokémon League at the time
Literally all of them have the same todler difficulty.

>>Have one of the most expansive post-games
The game locking off Pokemon to post-credits trash instead of just having them normally available in the game isn't a good thing.

>The flaws people name for DP feel like nitpicks to me.
The entire game having the same 5 random encounters and having fucking horrible engine speed compared Gen III isn't a "nitpick"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 18:47:38 No.53297250 Report

Quoted By: >>53297369 >>53297838

>>53297198
kill yourself faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 19:08:32 No.53297369 Report

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>>53297250
He's not wrong. DP was a massive step down taking either the worst parts of gen 2 and 3 or making the best parts worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:25:25 No.53297838 Report

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>>53297250
you first sperg

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:27:22 No.53297854 Report

Quoted By: >>53297865

>>53296806
Do you honestly think the community element is restricted to ranked pvp? People post their teams online, gym battles, let’s plays, etc. pointless to introduce an element of
>let’s play Pokemon part 1 (NO EXP SHARE HARDCORE /[]0[]\ )

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:27:30 No.53297855 Report

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>>53294990
Go to bed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:28:22 No.53297865 Report

Quoted By: >>53297879

>>53297854
People already do that. There are no exp share mods for every game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:29:02 No.53297871 Report

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>>53294230
arrest more onions boi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:29:49 No.53297879 Report

Quoted By: >>53297888

>>53297865
>mods
Nobody cares about mods after Gen 3 and it’s irrelevant to people playing actual game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:30:57 No.53297888 Report

Quoted By: >>53297912

>>53297879
Relevancy isn't even close to my point, retard.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:33:10 No.53297912 Report

Quoted By: >>53297924

>>53297888
Your point is retarded because you think fucking mods are remotely similar to putting the feature in the actual game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:33:57 No.53297923 Report

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>>53293558
Confession denied.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:34:16 No.53297924 Report

Quoted By: >>53297963

>>53297912
For one, it literally is. For two, that's not even what I was saying. People like playing challenge runs, there will always be an audience for that sort of thing. Your own feelings of inadequacy are irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:39:28 No.53297963 Report

Quoted By: >>53297971

>>53297924
When “challenge runs” require 3rd party tools to access they aren’t relevant to the average player. When your video of gym 3 gets a bunch of comments saying you’re “overleveled” because you didn’t toggle off an option it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:40:29 No.53297971 Report

Quoted By: >>53297998

>>53297963
I don't care if they're "relevant to the average player," you're just moving goalposts at this point.
The point is, people want to play with exp share disabled and you being mad at the idea that someone might call you a shitter(you are) should hold no bearing to the game's feature set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:43:51 No.53297998 Report

Quoted By: >>53298058

>>53297971
>People in the community start calling each other shitters and acting like exp share is Elden rings blood katana
Yeah this is definitely good Gamefreak wants this in the kids game xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:52:27 No.53298058 Report

Quoted By: >>53298072

>>53297998
There's already nuzlockes. Are you going to cry about nuzlockes next until people aren't allowed to change their party members?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:54:11 No.53298072 Report

Quoted By: >>53298104

>>53298058
And again Nuzlockes aren’t and never were implemented in the real game so no Gen 1 boomer is going to “you didn’t beat the game/played easy mode” you over it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 20:57:46 No.53298104 Report

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>>53298072
>Nuzlockes aren’t and never were implemented in the real game
But the ability to play that way was.
Judging by how upset this conversation is making you, I just have to assume you've never actually beaten any of the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Feb 2023 21:18:44 No.53298269 Report

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>>53286410
>before its archived
Ash = Red

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