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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 16:53:04 No.53756770 View View Reply Original Report

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>middle aged dude in an orange suit

How was he supposed to be intimidating?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 16:56:36 No.53756780 Report

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>>53756770
Probably the part where he runs a multi-million dollar mafia industry but this is /vp/ lets focus on the retarded shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 16:56:57 No.53756782 Report

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Because an adult with angry eyes is scary to the target audience. Next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 16:57:15 No.53756783 Report

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>>53756770
he has a really strong nen ability and is a reinforcer

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 16:57:18 No.53756784 Report

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>>53756770
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aposematism

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 17:01:21 No.53756805 Report

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>>53756770
The part where he does one phone call and you have bunch of thugs unga bunga your ass, steal your precious "friends" and leave your dead body in middle of nowhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 17:17:05 No.53756899 Report

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>>53756770
Angry Voltorb eyes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 17:18:52 No.53756908 Report

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>>53756770
orange suit like his charmandorinooooo as a kid?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 17:25:00 No.53756934 Report

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>>53756805
Why not make him bald with a scar over his eye or an eye patch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 17:33:56 No.53756975 Report

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>>53756770
I mean, his outfit from gen 1 and the TCG is a lot more serious-looking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 17:39:00 No.53757006 Report

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>>53756934
Because that look is reserved for good guys,like Otto Skorzeny and Moshe Dayan.

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 17:47:55 No.53757058 Report

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>>53756770
It's supposed to imply he's strong like GODku instead of wearing colors similar to SHITgeta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 17:48:34 No.53757063 Report

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>>53756770
He's not supposed to look immediately intimidating at first glance. He's supposed to look like a legitimate businessman and gym leader, all the shady shit is just beneath the surface.

>>53756899
Lieutenant Surge has those too, on top of being a soldier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 21:38:21 No.53758094 Report

Quoted By: >>53758223

>>53756770
I appreciate them giving Giovanni an orange suit, probably alluding to a possible sense for fashion and making him seem more layered appearance wise than just giving him the generic mafia black suit. I actually prefer this, because Giovanni manages to look intimidating, while still wearing more happy colors. Kind of a power move, since he doesn't need an evil perceived color to be able to be intimidating.

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 21:53:54 No.53758163 Report

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>>53756805
This. It's like faggot OP forgot the man is the boss of a criminal organization or something. It's not his outward appearance that's meant to be intimidating, it's the idea that he could send a bunch of his goons to murder you in your sleep. Also members of the yakuza sometimes have a tendency to dress in bright, flashy clothes so they were probably going for that. Personally I miss the orange suit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 21:58:58 No.53758191 Report

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>>53756770
He was shown in shadows all the time until the Viridian gym episode when he unleashed Mewtwo on Gary’s Pokémon.

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 22:04:24 No.53758223 Report

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>>53758094
Then he put on a somewhat military look for BW and never recovered, putting on black suits like his game version.

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 22:08:46 No.53758241 Report

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>>53758223
Sad day when Giovanni lost his bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 22:40:36 No.53758384 Report

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>>53758241
That was just how Meowth thought of him, not an accurate depiction of his body.

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 22:46:50 No.53758407 Report

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>>53758384
Idk look how large he was. I could totally believe he’s actually as built as in Meowth’s fantasies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 22:47:50 No.53758412 Report

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>>53756770
I mean, that was kinda the whole point - to the public, he was just an unassuming businessman who ran the Viridian City Gym, nothing to see here. The reality is that he was a mob boss with his fingers in a million different schemes spanning multiple regions, but you wouldn't really know it just by looking at him. Honestly, I find all the later antagonists in the series to be a lot harder to take seriously, because they literally dress like super villains from a comic book - you'd have to be an idiot NOT to know they're up to something just from looking at them.

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 22:50:52 No.53758428 Report

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>>53758412
Less so for Lysandre, due to the general zaniness of gen 6 outfits, but the dialogue gives it away absurdly early.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 02:54:30 No.53759387 Report

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He's a crime boss

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 02:59:59 No.53759403 Report

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>>53756770
>How was he supposed to be intimidating?
he really wasn't since most of the time team rocket imagine him in situations like this

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 03:08:46 No.53759435 Report

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>>53756784

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 04:14:20 No.53759672 Report

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>>53758407
He was so intimidating. He felt like he could fucking destroy anyone physically if he wanted.

Post DP Giovanni is a shame.

The fact the fucker wore an orange suit and was still so intimidating and had such a commanding presence when on screen spoke volumes.

Every other iteration of him hasn’t done that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 04:17:45 No.53759679 Report

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>>53756770
He's Italian, don't let the suit fool you. Most people become more and more mellow as they grow older, it's the opposite with Italians. Your average middle-aged guido has got more bodies than Bundy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 06:25:24 No.53759979 Report

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>>53756770
>middle aged dude in a bathrobe
How was he supposed to be intimidating?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 06:30:25 No.53759990 Report

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>>53756770
In the games he was straight up a japanese yakuza mobster. The anime made him into a goofy cartoon character in an orange suit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 06:32:56 No.53760000 Report

Quoted By: >>53760039 >>53760084

I never understood why they decided on calling his organization "team" rocket in english. In Japan it's literally rocket gang. I mean do they play fucking football?

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 06:44:17 No.53760028 Report

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>>53756934
Because that's grizzled, battle-scarred warlord look, not a corrupted businessman ruling over criminal activities in at least 2 regions look.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 06:46:54 No.53760039 Report

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>>53760000
I never understood this either. Its not even a weird 4kids censorship thing either, since they clearly use the term "gang" many times in the original series, like the Bicycle Gang for example. "Team" is such an odd translation, because it completely mischaracterizes what they are. And plus the word "team" in the context of Pokemon typically refers to your party.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 06:55:32 No.53760065 Report

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>>53758407
I miss times when villains/antagonists were allowed to be big, intimidating and physically overpowering. Reminder that Surge could literally curb-stomp Ash if he really wanted.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:04:08 No.53760084 Report

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>>53760000
>>53760039
they got a monopoly on the sports world too, they are the Italian mafia, and gen I is set in the 1950s. Gen II in the 1960s. Gen 3 in the 1970s. Gen 4 in the 1980s. Gen 5 in the 1990s. This is why anything after 5 is garbage, except for Oras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:05:13 No.53760087 Report

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>>53760065
FOTNS mutants were a thing in Pokemon

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:05:46 No.53760088 Report

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>>53760084
That sounds like a hell of a lot of headcanon. Also, Team Rocket isn't the Mafia, they're Yakuza...

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:14:20 No.53760103 Report

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>>53760088
Yakuza was inspired by the Italian mafia tho. Anyway, Gen I is set in the 50s and Gen II takes a few years from it. The clothing style of the characters reveals it.

Gen III tackled environmentalist themes which were the thing in the 70s. Gen IV is futuristic like the 80s Sci-fi boom.

And gen 5 begins at the start of the 90s, the rap, rock, grundge aesthetic tells as much, and ends at the end of the 90s with BW2. Starting XY we enter the new millennium.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:16:29 No.53760108 Report

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>>53760103
>Yakuza was inspired by the Italian mafia tho.
Thats....not how criminal organizations work...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:18:25 No.53760115 Report

Quoted By: >>53760126 >>53760131 >>53760154

>>53760084
You're retarded.
Gen I is inspired directly by Tajiri's childhood so it's mid-70, gen II literally happens 3 years after that so it's late 70s/early 80s. Isahaya Land Reclamation project that was inspiration for events of RSE started in 86. After that we have no fucking idea about timeline and how it corresponds to real life because there's no events directly inspired by real life stuff.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:21:42 No.53760126 Report

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>>53760115
>>53760103
>>53760084
Pokemon is full of anachronisms, its real world setting is intentionally kept ambguous. If we're really going to be this pedantic, then Pokemon shouldn't even have the same dating system as us, since our dating system comes from the beginning of Christianity, which likely isn't a thing in Pokemon since they have their own founding myths. Yes I know Misty pulls out a cross that one time but thats just Takeshi Shudo early series schizophrenia. In reality Pokemon doesn't take place in any real world "decades" since their tech trees and cultural development are completely different from ours thanks to Pokemon.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:24:05 No.53760131 Report

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>>53760115
>>53760103
>>53760084
You're all fucking retarded. Everything about gen 1 & 2 screams 90s and I know this may shock you but it's because they came out in the 90s and were therefore inspired by the 90s so 90s kids would buy them in the 90s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:26:29 No.53760136 Report

Quoted By: >>53760147 >>53760154

>>53760131
>Zoomie never grew in 90s and trying to tell how they looked like.
Fuck off, Discord tranny. You'll never be a real 90s kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:31:29 No.53760147 Report

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>>53760136
NTA but I don't see why they'd want to be anyways because the 90s kinda fucking sucked. The only good thing about that decade was the music.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:35:28 No.53760154 Report

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>>53760115
>>53760126
>>53760136
This book which was produced by Creatures inc and has info from both Taijiri and Sugimori says that Porygon was created in 1995 and that Red and Green takes place in 1996.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:36:26 No.53760157 Report

Quoted By: >>53760307

>halfwit trying to find some hidden meaning where there's none to be found
>his head's so far up his own ass he doesn't even remember what the 90s looked like
>uses them ebin 4chan buzzwords and maymays as if they're arguments
Open up a dictionary and you'll find a picture of your dumb ass next to the word moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:37:48 No.53760167 Report

Quoted By: >>53760193

Anime Giovanni was used more for gags than actually being a villain, and the one time they really tried to use him in BW it got fucked up because of the earthquake. That's why it looked so stupid seeing people cry about Ash not facing Giovanni in some epic finale, as if they gave a shit about one another.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:46:09 No.53760193 Report

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>>53760167
He was genuinely intimidating I gen I when he was shady, obscured figure behind TR (who at that times while still goofy could put decent fight). It culminated when he got hands on what can only be described as Pokemon's equivalent of genetically engineered biological weapon.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 07:57:37 No.53760215 Report

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>>53759403
I genuinely dont know what they were thinking when they animated this.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:08:25 No.53760237 Report

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>>53760215
Are you complaining? I am forever thankful to Giovanni for showing me that I am a greedy faggot and his biggest bitch-simp.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:11:55 No.53760249 Report

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The 4kids VA for Meowth said the boss fantasies were her favorite part of voicing Meowth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:31:31 No.53760294 Report

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>>53760193
I liked him in the manga RBG arc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:36:07 No.53760307 Report

Quoted By: >>53760311 >>53760336

>>53760157
There are tons of hidden meanings sprinkled in Pokemon. For starters, it has been a pretty conservative franchise until Gen 6 onward happened where they began pandering to Westerners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:37:44 No.53760311 Report

Quoted By: >>53760324

>>53760307
>it has been a pretty conservative franchise until Gen 6 onward happened where they began pandering to Westerners.
The series always pandered to westerners you retard.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:43:19 No.53760324 Report

Quoted By: >>53760335

>>53760311
Not true. They tried, but all early attempts were met with failures so they gave up early. They had given up on the Western market around Gen 3, when it became trendy in West to hate on new gens. Gen 5 was the most ambitious offering yet but Japan was tired of Pokemon around that time, so they made XY which was a Kanto fanservice game and it was just the right time too, because around that time the West was out of its rebellious stage and wanted more Pokemon again. So they shifted to the West since... Alola was an outlier because both Japan and West received it well.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:45:49 No.53760335 Report

Quoted By: >>53760340

>>53760324
No, you're dumb. The anime died in the west by gen 3, but that wasn't because they gave up appealing to westerners, its because the franchise in general was in a downwards spiral after Pokemania died down and key people like Takeshi Shudo left and its been on a downward spiral ever since.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:46:09 No.53760336 Report

Quoted By: >>53760341

>>53760307
Not really, not in American way of thinking about conservationism.
Gen I and II were more about traditionalism and how progress and industrialism can be destructive and lead to corruption. Gen III was about struggle between tradition and progress (but it was kinda underused and only visible if your understand events that inspired it). After that messages became more vague, "global" and more focused on generic "X is bad, Y is good" thinking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:49:09 No.53760340 Report

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>>53760335
Takeshi Shudo left at the start of Johto. The anime died when they changed the voice actors. The games died with gen 2 as Gen 3 and 4 and 5 were hated on release for not being like the first 2 gens. XY is when the games again became trendy as they introduced Megas and Charizard, and also released that Kanto OVA which was "mature" in the eyes of the teenage audience, and then XY anime happened.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:50:33 No.53760341 Report

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>>53760336
I liked the focus on mythology and history in gen 4, and gen 5 was about philosophy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 08:54:56 No.53760345 Report

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>>53760340
ofc nowadays it is trendy to hate on XY, but only because everyone forgot how many new features it brought on the 3DS that stayed ever since. It even had a simultaneous release date as the West for the first time and the online was the main draw. It was the beginning of the end for Pokemon. Around the same time, the XY anime was the last one of the core team behind the whole show up to that time so they poured everything into the animation and action to make it as appealing as possible, but Yokai Watch sabotaged it and Japanese didn't really care about this gen unlike Westerners... SM is when the Japanese actually wanted more Pokemon again.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 09:16:51 No.53760379 Report

Quoted By: >>53760383 >>53760414

>>53756770
that's not the games' Giovanni, zoom zoom

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 09:18:07 No.53760383 Report

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>>53760379
he was so cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 09:42:02 No.53760414 Report

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>>53760379
RBY/FRLG TR was truly terrifying when you think about it.
> Hands in multiple businesses in entire region, including successful running gambling place (involving Pokemon as prizes nonetheless), infiltrating league and being one step from getting Pokemon production and distribution in their control.
> Not being against burglary, thievery kidnapping, Pokemon abuse and murder.
> Even not counting GSC/HGSS, in FRLG we saw that they were well established outside of Kanto and had facilities and people on Sevii Islands.
> It all fully controlled by one person. No right hands or admins or other people that could question his actions.

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