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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:16:58 No.53898347 View View Reply Original Report

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>Banned by the council day 1
um... Smogkeks? You said bans were based off of the community's opinion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:18:00 No.53898350 Report

Quoted By: >>53898353 >>53900285 >>53901528

>>53898347
the council IS the community
idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:18:46 No.53898353 Report

Quoted By: >>53898366

>>53898350
I dont see any vote, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:20:43 No.53898359 Report

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>>53898347
> You said bans were based off of the community's opinion?
Usually, but considering the community is an idiot, Smogon reserves the right to do whatever the fuck they want. If you don’t like it, play the “real” game which only exists to shill the FOTM shillmons ans CHARIZARD

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:21:39 No.53898366 Report

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>>53898353
The majority of people are to retarded to have a vote in the matter. The council is made of incredibly high IQ competitive beasts that have been playing for decades and former VGC grand champions . Trust me kid, we know much more than you do about these things

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:22:22 No.53898367 Report

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>>53898347
do you play? can you post a team you made or a replay of a match of yours?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:22:35 No.53898369 Report

Quoted By: >>53898396 >>53898448 >>53898993

>>53898347
>Pokemon isn't walled by Ting Lu or Toxapex
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:34:52 No.53898396 Report

Quoted By: >>53898993 >>53899696

>>53898347
They literally can't handle the fact you have to predict what kind of strategy it's going to use, including but not limited to...
>Tera Explosion Nuke
>Ice Tera Blast
>Electric Tera + STAB + Transistor
Which, conveniently, is more than enough to take care of Landorus-T, Great Tusk and the two mentioned in >>53898369
Hmm indeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 06:53:13 No.53898448 Report

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>>53898369
? post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 10:38:05 No.53898983 Report

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>>53898347
Bans that are obvious bypass voting. Most people that play were upset that regieleki was allowed to begin with, when it is obvious that Terastalizing breaks it.

Magearna, Zamazenta and Chien-Pao (again) are next. Anything else is getting a suspect and voting procedure.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 10:41:34 No.53898993 Report

Quoted By: >>53899661 >>53900162

>>53898369
>>53898396
I don't even play omgon, but if not even the best defensive pokemon in there can handle the fastest pokemon in the game, wouldn't it be kind of unbalanced?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 11:13:15 No.53899072 Report

Quoted By: >>53899652

>>53898347
Basically how they decided on the ban

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:35:05 No.53899646 Report

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>>53898347
lol
anyone knows that smogon is not a democracy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:37:32 No.53899652 Report

Quoted By: >>53900177

>>53899072
Bolt Beam coverage has been recognized as really good forever retard
Now on something that strong that you can't even outrun with a scarf?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:40:39 No.53899661 Report

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>>53898993
Don’t try to rationalize with these retards. Max age of these “people” is 17, they watch Verlisify, and think any team thar uses any status moves including boosting moves is Stall (besides Trick Room of course, which is a super viable strategy stop making fun of me for using it >:( )

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:41:17 No.53899664 Report

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Regieleki broke into the top 30 of the monthly usage stats in a single day.
Smogon's mistake is that they didn't ban Magearna alongside it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:42:19 No.53899670 Report

Quoted By: >>53899688

Reminder that Tera wasn't the problem here, it's specifically tera blast. Regieleki isn't broken because it can change its type, it's broken because of expanded coverage. Were it to get ice beam, hydro pump, or hidden power, the issue would be the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:47:30 No.53899688 Report

Quoted By: >>53899699 >>53899704

>>53899670
It had hidden power in gen 8 natdex. Hardly even considered oppressive. When it gets stab ice move it gets banned in both natdex and OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:50:22 No.53899695 Report

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Back when SV came out Koraidon got banned instantly too. What tyrrany.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:50:34 No.53899696 Report

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>>53898396
>Tera Explosion
Scarf Lando is better for this, Regieleki would never do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:51:33 No.53899699 Report

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>>53899688
>It had hidden power in gen 8 natdex.
But it doesn’t. You’d know that no Pokemon past Gen 7 knows Hidden Power even in National Dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 14:53:47 No.53899704 Report

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>>53899688
you dont play the game faggot.
They delibately didnt make any Gens after 7 not have access to hidden power

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 16:57:15 No.53900162 Report

Quoted By: >>53900238 >>53902204

>>53898993
Literally just get a special wall that that isn't weak to electric or ice. No one forces you to play without one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 16:59:22 No.53900177 Report

Quoted By: >>53900263

>>53899652
Priority
Special wall that isn't weak to both stabs
They didn't even give the meta a chance to adapt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:09:41 No.53900238 Report

Quoted By: >>53900259 >>53900387

>>53900162
So what you're saying is, Regieleki would have incentivized using bulky stall Pokemon like Blissey, Garganacl, and Quagsire and Smogon still banned it?
Very interesting, very interesting indeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:14:43 No.53900259 Report

Quoted By: >>53900266 >>53900269

>>53900238
Lol this is so low IQ and ALWAYS what smogtards go for
>If Pokemon hit hard...then need Pokemon that be hit harder!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:15:17 No.53900263 Report

Quoted By: >>53900376 >>53900436 >>53901659

>>53900177
>Priority
252+ Atk Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Regieleki: 225-265 (74.7 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Only starts potentially KOing after 2 KOs.
Also keep in mind, Regieleki can always run defense investment since its so fucking fast that 0 investment to speed already outspeeds Dragapult.
>Special Walls
So you want every team to just run Blissey or Goodra-H all the time? Also consider
>Regieleki can run Tera Water or Tera Grass to hit Ground types like Iron Treads or Quagsire
>Regieleki has Wild Charge, so all Special Walls aren't safe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:16:08 No.53900266 Report

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>>53900259
Well yeah that or just outspeed it
Oh wait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:16:18 No.53900269 Report

Quoted By: >>53900303

>>53900259
>>If Pokemon hit hard...then need Pokemon that be hit harder!
And this sentiment is wrong because???

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:19:09 No.53900285 Report

Quoted By: >>53900296

>>53898350
That's like when Biden said "The government IS the people". When referring to "we the people".

The tyrans don't care about anything but power and anyone below them isn't even a person in their eyes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:19:48 No.53900289 Report

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>>53898347
>balanced around by having almost no moves
>shitty regional gimmick completely nullifies the balance
>noooo how could they ban it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:20:40 No.53900296 Report

Quoted By: >>53900314

>>53900285
>Comparing actual real world governments to a community run ruleset for a children's game
Come back when your turn 18.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:22:39 No.53900303 Report

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>>53900269
Because it's built around a belief that the meta must be defined by the interaction of walls vs. attackers and there must always be multiple safe walls for every attacker

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:22:48 No.53900306 Report

Quoted By: >>53900316 >>53900328

Is it starting to be contrarian to actually see the reason in smogon bans? I've seen the opinions here shift quite a bit from smogon bad to smogon good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:23:26 No.53900314 Report

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>>53900296
Power corrupts. Small people will look for power in small places. A weak man will try to impose power over a woman. It's the same thing, just on different scales

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:24:10 No.53900316 Report

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>>53900306
No, it's just Smogon players are getting more and more defensive as the site is burning through credibility

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:27:43 No.53900328 Report

Quoted By: >>53900398

>>53900306
If its something like the Kings Rock fiasco or even a mixed opinion like Chien Pao then yeah the general consensus is to shit on Council retardation
But then something like Fluttermane, Iron Bundle, Marshadow or even Full Power Baton Pass drops into the meta that is entirely too powerful/centralizing, gets rightfully banned, and retards who don't play the tier go "WOOOOW SMOGON TARDS BANNING STUFF THAT RUINS LE STALL NICE FANFIC META"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:36:42 No.53900376 Report

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>>53900263
>So you want every team to just run Blissey or Goodra-H all the time?
Smogon is used to mons with astronomically high usages. If that was an issue then there some Mons wouldn't still be in OU.
Also wild charge will kill regi eleki because of his pathetic HP or at thé very least put it within range of most prio moves.
Your concern about impredictable teras can literally be applied to any other mons and is an issue that lies within the mechanic rather than regieleki.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:38:43 No.53900387 Report

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>>53900238
Bulky mons aren't used solely by stall retard. Balance teams exist and are more popular on the ladder than stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:40:12 No.53900398 Report

Quoted By: >>53900413

>>53900328
The problem is we've reached a point where Smogon is now banning enough mons to have an entire functioning metagame because "that's not the right metagame"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:43:58 No.53900413 Report

Quoted By: >>53900446

>>53900398
Name a single mon that got banned in SV that shouldn't have gotten banned while Tera is still legal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:49:23 No.53900436 Report

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>>53900263
also Substitute Regieleki was common and could easily exploit Sucker Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:50:26 No.53900446 Report

Quoted By: >>53900462 >>53902241

>>53900413
Chien Pao is really nothing compared to Kingambit. Really Kingambit should be the banned motherfucked here, a billion health and games become sucker punch wars 90% of the time

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 17:53:12 No.53900462 Report

Quoted By: >>53900513

>>53900446
Ok fuck true I literally posted Chien Pao wasn't broken in my previous post so ill give you that one
But the general point is, things that get banned are usually so broken and centralizing the meta is entirely warped by them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 18:00:35 No.53900513 Report

Quoted By: >>53900520

>>53900462
"Centralized" is used as a buzzword not a real point of debate. Somebody brings a Pokemon to counter a meta Pokemon? Well meta must be centralized...or not. It depends on if we want that Pokemon in the meta.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 18:01:44 No.53900520 Report

Quoted By: >>53900532

>>53900513
There is such a thing as acceptably centralizing and too centralizing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 18:03:28 No.53900532 Report

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>>53900520
Meta knight isn't over centralizing, he is just strong :^)
No you can't see his win rate
No his pick rate isn't relevant
He just isn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 18:06:00 No.53900552 Report

Quoted By: >>53900568 >>53900866 >>53902269

Can someone post a good OU team, I keep jobbing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 18:08:11 No.53900568 Report

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>>53900552
I'd say pick a sample team but Home introduced some fucking disgusting pokemon like Sneasler so idk how they hold up

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 18:21:17 No.53900631 Report

Quoted By: >>53900643

No pokémon should ever be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 18:24:19 No.53900643 Report

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>>53900631
In Gen 3 a Wobbafett with Leftovers mirror match is an endless scenario

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 18:32:21 No.53900681 Report

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>>53898347
Kings Rock ban was a huge eye opener to me that they dont care about the quality of the game only if it effects the dictators who control it
Now they want to ban light clay

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 19:08:15 No.53900843 Report

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>>53898347
This piece of shit invalidates offence so im glad it's insta gone. You cannot live in fear of this thing and run AV treads on every team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 19:13:18 No.53900866 Report

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>>53900552
https://pokepast.es/62c1198326dc84ef
It's not too easy to pilot but I've won some. H-Braviary is strong as shit and forces a lot of switches/ can use tera to agility up and sweep after some spikes layers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 21:30:47 No.53901528 Report

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>>53898350
>the council IS the community
I don't recall any elections to put them on the council.
>just ladder bro
Again, doesn't get you on the council. That just lets you vote in the suspect tests.... Which the council can just override whenever they feel like.

Seems like the whole "just vote" thing only works when you have an actual democracy and not some oligarchy or feudal system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 22:17:40 No.53901659 Report

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>>53900263
>So you want every team to just run Blissey or Goodra-H all the time?
Council members have specifically stated they'd never ban Lando-T, even if it hit 100% usage. So clearly that isn't an issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2023 22:21:58 No.53901671 Report

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>>53898347
Probably because anyone with half a braincell won't let this thing run around while it has access to even halfway decent coverage options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2023 00:54:05 No.53902204 Report

Quoted By:

>>53900162
>surprise, it's physical regieleki
ggs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2023 00:59:33 No.53902241 Report

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>>53900446
> Really Kingambit should be the banned motherfucked here
This is part of the reason Zamazenta isn't banned in natdex, it's one of the few mons that can eat +2 Sucker Punch from Kingambit at any KO number and KO it back
Kingambit forced defensive sets on mons like Rotom and Gholdengo to run enough speed EVs to outspeed it, or else they take massive damage from Kowtow Cleave which is spammable if the opponent has no bulky Fighting types

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2023 01:05:40 No.53902269 Report

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>>53900552
just run the sneasel team everyone is running. its a free 1700+

cba looking it up but its like

id zenta-c
band/sash sneaseler
standard tusk
punch glove shifu
setup mag

forget the last. prob specs pult or av samurott

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