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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 15:44:41 No.54028916 View View Reply Original Report

how do you fix it?
>hard mode: you can’t change its typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 15:46:46 No.54028928 Report

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>>54028916
wonder guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 15:47:22 No.54028931 Report

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change its typi
>you can’t change its typing
give it prism armor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 15:50:52 No.54028949 Report

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>>54028916
152 sp.def
164 defense
give it a unique recovery move that inproves in Hail

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 15:52:36 No.54028957 Report

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>>54028916
+20 to special def.
Enough. Pair it with Snow setter like A-Ninetales (Aurora Veil) or Slowking (Trick Room).
Really, I feel like between all the crazy toys that defensive Ice-types are getting lately it's just question of time when they will get broken.
"Super effective" means not a lot when Pokemon's defenses are of the roof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 15:56:00 No.54028971 Report

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Ability that sets Trick Room

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 15:59:37 No.54028986 Report

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>>54028957
66 spdef is still nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 16:01:08 No.54028994 Report

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>>54028916
ice type body press

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 16:04:07 No.54029011 Report

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>>54028916
unique ability themed along glacier calving where super effective hits have a maximum % HP damage cap for some trade off like a def drop

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 16:09:19 No.54029036 Report

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>>54028916
just give it good moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 16:10:54 No.54029047 Report

Quoted By: >>54030132

There is something I'd do to improve Avalugg, but /vp/ doesn't want to hear it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 16:12:05 No.54029056 Report

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>>54028986
66 base spdef with EV investments with +50% from snow and Aurora Veil on top of it? With 95 (can be upped to 100) base HP and Ice Body? And it's still the weaker side defense-wise? And it still can hit reasonably well if you prefer TR attacker set?
Obviously it still needs a bit of setup to work, but sounds reasonable in case of getting better setup mons than Ninetales or Slowbro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 16:46:17 No.54029196 Report

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>>54028916
New ability: Permafrost
Halves damage from all neutrally effective moves.
Still keeps the paper-thin SpDef and 4 common weaknesses, but gives it actual resistances so it can actually switch in on things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 16:47:46 No.54029205 Report

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>>54028916
Swap it’s speed and defense stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 18:44:30 No.54029675 Report

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>>54028916
By having it battle a physical attacker and not a special attacker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 18:51:38 No.54029702 Report

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>>54029675
>Close Combat
>Flare Blitz
Wut Do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 18:53:26 No.54029707 Report

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New ability, Shelter: When this pokemon HP goes below 50% it generates a substitute. Also plus 20 to special defense seems reasonable as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 18:54:18 No.54029710 Report

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swap Defense and Speed :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 18:58:36 No.54029725 Report

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>>54028916
>can't change its typing
Sure, I will just change the weaknesses and resistances of ice, so Avalugg can keep its typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 19:00:41 No.54029738 Report

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>>54029707
Change it to Snow Shelter, and in addition to generating a substitute at 50% make it also generate a substitute at 75% and 25% when it's snowing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 19:01:32 No.54029741 Report

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>>54029702
if trick room isn't up i am working around sturdy instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 19:02:10 No.54029742 Report

Quoted By: >>54029760 >>54029766

Give it 255 defense
and then make all its physical attack give frozen status

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 19:07:26 No.54029760 Report

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>>54029742
too OP
but the opposing pokemon being frozen when attacking it would make it a good pivot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 19:08:51 No.54029766 Report

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>>54029760
>>54029742
>*gets banned in smogon*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 19:18:08 No.54029791 Report

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>>54028986
95Hp 66SpD is alright. Not a special tank obviously, but also doesn't die from everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 20:39:00 No.54030120 Report

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>>54029056
snow doesn't boost spdef it boosts def
not that aveil + 65 spdef is unworkable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 20:40:46 No.54030126 Report

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>>54028916
>43pts from SpA to SpD
>27pts from Spe to SpD
>SpD is now 116.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 20:41:30 No.54030132 Report

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>>54029047
Tell me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:58:53 No.54030366 Report

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>>54028916
Literally the problem is it's type. Ice has no resistances. No resists is useless for a defensive Pokemon.
Ice should resist Dragon, Flying, Ground and Electric. The first 3 are logical since ice already hits them super effective.
But Ice should resist Electric because Boltbeam is the most busted coverage and clearly means there are general balance issues since hits everything.
His 2nd biggest problem is that it can't carry an item because of rocks.
His 3rd problem is that Ice teams need better tools, Rain and Sun have plenty of tools. But Avalugg doesn't do much on Ice teams. Call me crazy but Hail should double Ice's phys def instead of add one stage, that would make him decent offensively and defensively in hail teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:16:20 No.54030414 Report

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>>54028916
He's okay? He has potential to wipe out a team if they put too many physical guys on, especially with tera fighting Body Press. He'd never be a high tier threat though, but at least he can do something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:21:22 No.54030425 Report

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>>54028916
>Swap Own Tempo for Snow Warning
-40Def
-20SpA
+60SpD

Give it Recover or Slackoff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:30:58 No.54030454 Report

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+41 SpDef
Abilities go from Own Tempo/Ice Body/Sturdy to Snow Warning/Filter/Thermal Exchange
Kalosian Avalugg now has access to Mountain Gale

It's now quite bulky, with 95/184/87 defenses and access to Recover. Pair that with either Filter for a purely tank set, Snow Warning for an Aurora Veil set, or Thermal Exchange for an offensive set to use its 117 attack and Mountain Gale, and it's now an excellent pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:35:12 No.54030465 Report

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>>54028916
>K. Avalugg
HP: 90 (-5)
ATK: 110 (-7)
DEF: 180 (-4)
SpA: 40 (-4)
SpD: 66 (+20)
Spe: 28
Swap Own Tempo for Refrigerate or Snow Cloak. Snow Warning is also a good option, but that's pushing it towards being busted imo. Sturdy has a use on its special side even with rebalancing, and Ice Body is too good to replace. Personally I'd prefer Refrigerate so it can have stab Rapid Spin for funsies
>H. Avalugg
HP: 90 (-5)
ATK: 118 (-9)
DEF: 180 (-4)
SpA: 30 (-4)
SpD: 56 (+20)
Spe: 40 (+2)
I'm adding the Hisui version because they're both in RU right now. I wanted to keep it as similar as possible to the existing form differences stat changes. Open up its movepool to give it Jaw Lock, Poison Fang, Thunder Fang, and Hyper Fang.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:53:27 No.54030515 Report

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>>54028916
weak armor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:55:47 No.54030528 Report

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>>54030465
>I'm adding the Hisui version because they're both in [fanfic meta]

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:58:24 No.54030543 Report

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>>54028916
Give it base 184 sp def

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 23:06:52 No.54030580 Report

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>>54030528
OP is the one using a smogon image to open the thread, blame him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 23:52:32 No.54030761 Report

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>>54028916
Uhh... Give it thermal exchange?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 23:58:58 No.54030800 Report

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>>54028916
-40 def
+40 spdef
+10 atk
-10 spe

Ice body now also gives +50% to spdef under snow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:34:41 No.54030933 Report

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>>54030132
Ice getting a few new resistances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:43:59 No.54030956 Report

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>>54028916
Give Hisuian Avalugg solid rock. Buff solid rock's damage reduction to 50%.

Crustle also gainds admission to the no weakness club.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:50:21 No.54030980 Report

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>>54028916
Swap it’s attack and defence, then swap its defence and speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:53:58 No.54030997 Report

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>>54028916
Give it a priority suicide move that acts like nuzzle but freezes

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:58:32 No.54031011 Report

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>>54029702
lose 40-50% hp and then use iron defense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 01:01:23 No.54031018 Report

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+spd
ice version of toxic debris
trick room if it doesnt have it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 01:24:11 No.54031082 Report

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>>54028916
Give it a new signature Ability that causes all incoming damage to be defended against by its physical defense and all outgoing damage to run off physical defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:49:40 No.54031494 Report

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>>54029702
I think you underestimate how bonkers Avalugg's defense is.
>252+ Atk Mewtwo-Mega-X Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 266-314 (67.5 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
A strongest STAB Close Combat (working off of a 190 base attack) can't OHKO it. And this is from a mega evo of a restricted mon in the first place and megas have been retconned out of existence anyway.

People see potential in Avalugg for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:02:04 No.54031541 Report

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>>54028916
Signature ability: Inverse Aura (type chart is inverted when it is on the field).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:40:17 No.54031625 Report

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>>54029702
tank it like a champ, dont be a retard lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:44:53 No.54031638 Report

Quoted By: >>54031656 >>54031664

>>54028916
Even if you'd change it typing, what good would it do to it? It's an iceberg so you can't take away the ice type, and ice paired with any other type is always garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:52:47 No.54031656 Report

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>>54031638
But muh Ice/Fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:53:29 No.54031660 Report

Quoted By: >>54031778

They already changed it's typing and it didn't fix it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:54:57 No.54031664 Report

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>>54031638
Ghost would be less terrible and give you two immunities, one of which being fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:44:24 No.54031778 Report

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>>54031660
That's because they gave it one of the only type combos worse than mono-Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 09:32:18 No.54032178 Report

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Ice Scatterer - Turns the ground into Icy Terrain when the Pokémon is hit by an attack.

Icy Terrain - Unique terrain that can be applied multiple times (each application has its duration tracked separately). Increases power of ice-type moves used by pokemon on the ground by 30%. Reduces speed of non-ice type pokemon on the ground by 30% for each application.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 10:03:43 No.54032245 Report

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>>54028916
I play inverse battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 10:24:56 No.54032278 Report

Quoted By: >>54032655

>>54028916
It's already good if you pair with Slowking but if you wanted to make it an OU staple
+ 20 Sp Def so it doesn't roll over to any special attack
Snow Warning to basically make it physical Blissey

252 Atk Choice Band Great Tusk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Avalugg in Snow: 230-272 (58.3 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Great Tusk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg in Snow: 182-216 (46.1 - 54.8%) -- 55.9% chance to 2HKO

Avalugg-H needs an offensive stat spread to be good, its defensive typing is just too shit for it to be ever good as a defensive mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 13:33:21 No.54032626 Report

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>>54028916
A lot of the ideas in this thread are good. I figured I'd still throw out mine though:

>Replace Own Tempo with Refrigerate. Now it has an Ice type Rapid Spin and Body Slam, which are neat niches.
>Replace Ice Body with a Well-Baked Body clone that ups Defense when hit with Ice moves. It could also keep the healing effect in Snow or whatever, idk.
>Give it Autotomize, Heavy Slam, Explosion/Self Destruct
>Give it access to an Ice type Metal Burst clone, "Shatter" or whatever you want to call it (it has a similarly named move in the TCG). Also let it learn some other new moves it could share with others, all coming from TCG as well: "Frost Barrier," a Protect clone that gives you and ally effects of Filter instead of negating damage completely; "Frozen Ground," a Ice Terrain that does nothing else but prevent the use of Terrain for 5 turns; and "Melting Floe," which cuts 1/4 HP but swaps Defense with SpDef

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 13:46:17 No.54032655 Report

Quoted By: >>54032696

>>54031494
>>54032278
>252 Def
>implying you aren't going to run 252 SpecDef so it has the slightest chance of surviving anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 13:58:10 No.54032696 Report

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>>54032655
That’s why I posted 0 Def and Max Def calcs retard

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