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Most useless natures in your opinion?

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 12:51:23 No.54180315 View View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 12:54:35 No.54180325 Report

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>>54180315
They're all terrible, I shouldn't have to roll a 1/25 chance over and over just to get a Pokémon that's not shit. Same goes for IVs, those should've never existed. Every Pikachu at Level 50 with no EVs should have the exact same stats. EVs are fine because you can actually earn them yourself, whereas Hyper Training and mints are just a bandaid for bad game design and don't even exist in any of the good Pokémon games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 12:55:50 No.54180331 Report

Quoted By: >>54180729

>>54180325
Gen 3 was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:07:50 No.54180369 Report

Quoted By: >>54180381 >>54181180

We've been over this, it's Gentle and Lax. Yes, they're even worse than the neutral natures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:11:38 No.54180381 Report

Quoted By: >>54180399 >>54183324

>>54180369
The ones that decrease speed are worse

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:17:42 No.54180399 Report

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>>54180381
No because trick room is a thing

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lycanroc Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:20:02 No.54180405 Report

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:23:00 No.54180420 Report

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>>54180315
As annoying as natures are, I do like how natures with opposite effects are mostly counterparts to each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:51:38 No.54180486 Report

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>>54180325
I 100% this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:52:58 No.54180494 Report

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>>54180325
fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:55:27 No.54180497 Report

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>>54180399
Gyro Ball as well. Brave > Adamant

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 13:56:03 No.54180498 Report

Quoted By: >>54180526

I'll usually decrease speed if it's a middling speed mon anyway. Seems a no brainer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 14:04:11 No.54180526 Report

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>>54180498
Depends. If you don’t plan to run mixed with it or a Trick Room strat, a nature that decreases their unused attacking stat would be better

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 14:48:00 No.54180649 Report

Quoted By: >>54180813 >>54183339

>>54180315
We need MORE

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 14:49:00 No.54180658 Report

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>>54180420
Lonely vs. Bold
Adamant vs. Modest
Naughty vs. Calm
Brave vs. Timid
Impish vs. Mild
Lax vs. Gentle
Relaxed vs. Hasty
Rash vs. Careful
Quite vs. Jolly
Sassy vs. Naive

Most of these don't seem like counterparts

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 15:00:49 No.54180711 Report

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>>54180658
They're not exact opposites but most of them are contrary in some way
>Lonely vs. Bold
Lonely meaning reclusive vs outgoing
>Adamant vs. Modest
Stubborn and won't back down vs unassuming and not wanting to play up their abilities
>Naughty vs. Calm
Gets up to mischief vs just chilling
>Brave vs. Timid
Literally antonyms
>Impish vs. Mild
See Naughty and Calm
>Lax vs. Gentle
Not really opposites, I'll admit
>Relaxed vs. Hasty
Literally antonyms
>Rash vs. Careful
Literally antonyms
>Quiet vs. Jolly
Not making much noise vs being upbeat and probably noisy
>Sassy vs. Naive
Bit of a stretch but spirited and cheeky vs not world-wise and innocent do kind of contrast
Like I said, they're not exact opposites but they do contrast with each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 15:06:46 No.54180729 Report

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>>54180331
DVs existed before Gen 3, you know

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 15:15:09 No.54180763 Report

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>>54180315
99% of the time the abilities that lower defenses are worthless

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 15:17:34 No.54180774 Report

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>>54180325
In theory, they're a good idea. But in practice, everyone just runs a nature that decreases a stat the Pokemon has no use for anyway. I.E. For a physical attacker, the Special Attack stat is useless, so you just run Adamant for more Attack or Jolly for more Speed with no drawback.

The mints are a much better way of handling this because they actually give you control. Natures should just be flavor text.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 15:21:17 No.54180784 Report

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>>54180763
Natures that lower a defense but raise an offense/speed are sometimes used by mixed attackers. Gentle and Lax have absolutely no use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 15:21:30 No.54180785 Report

Quoted By: >>54181736 >>54183349

>>54180774
My Lucario is proud of its power

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 15:29:13 No.54180813 Report

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>>54180649
Unironically this. Ever since Mints were introduced it's been really fun deciding natures for my Pokemon since there's more freedom to choose aesthetic over what's the most competitively viable. More natures just means more options, and Pokemon is first and foremost a monster collector that revolves around bonding with said monsters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 16:08:41 No.54180918 Report

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>>54180325
I think the IV range should just drop severly from 0-31 to 0-11. Would make the game harder by having the pokemon closer to their full potential, you would get to use mons with solid stats on average and it keeps the system of "each mon is unique" without turning 90% of mons in the wild useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 16:09:41 No.54180920 Report

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>>54180729
DVs >>>>>>>>>>>>> IVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 16:30:54 No.54181014 Report

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>>54180325
You people forget that Pokemon is primarily played casually and designed as an RPG with trading. The point of IVs is so that it’d be hard to find a Pokemon of the same species have the same exact stats. So when you compare Pokemon with your friends as a kid, you would get to see which Pokemon had the better stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 16:40:26 No.54181055 Report

Quoted By: >>54181575 >>54183210

>>54180315
Any Nature that drops a defensive stat tends to be silly to me. The only exception to this would be a Pokemon who could feasibly use a mixed attacking set while having a defensive stat(s) so criminally low that dropping it further would make no difference. Does such a Pokemon exist? The only two that come to mind are Pheromosa and Iron Valiant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 17:04:04 No.54181150 Report

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>>54181014
The reality is that no one ever did this. I played pokemon during peak pokemania as a kid. No kids ever sat around comparing their Charizard's stats to their friends Charizard. Kids don't care about the specifics of stats. They just played the fucking game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 17:14:49 No.54181180 Report

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>>54180369
You would never use Gentle or Lax on a mixed attacker that is only really concerned about getting hit with a certain move anyways?
-Def and -Sp. Def natures always make sense to me in the context of gen 3, where certain types are always either physical or special. For example, I run Rash Flygon in the Battle Frontier because I know that...
>Dragon types attacks are telegraphed
>if I get hit with an Ice type attack I faint anyways due to 4x weakness
>Electric type moves do nothing
>resist to Fire and mostly neutral damage to the actual important stat of Defense with few resists + Levitate
>for special attacks, just plan the team around the weaknesses
This essentially made Regice a REALLY good teammate, especially for Battle Dome. All in all, this sort of thinking is a lot harder after the physical/special split since we have physical Psychic and Water moves, special Normal and Fighting moves, etc

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 17:33:11 No.54181264 Report

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>>54180315
>I use the nature of the pokemon I have to roleplay its personality, even if it goes against its strongpoints

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 17:47:23 No.54181337 Report

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>>54181264

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 18:10:48 No.54181446 Report

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>>54181264
incredibly based

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 18:15:10 No.54181468 Report

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>>54181337
incredibly based

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 18:35:43 No.54181575 Report

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>>54181055
Shedinja has no need for a defense stat at all, even though GF still has it have them anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 19:02:05 No.54181708 Report

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>>54181337
He genuinely is based
Roleplay > gay comp shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 19:09:24 No.54181736 Report

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>>54180785
Will you trade me please?
I've been looking for a long time...

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 19:55:35 No.54182021 Report

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>>54181264
>Calm Gyarados
>Quite Exploud
>Hasty Slowpoke
>Lonely Dugtrio
>Naughty Jynx

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2023 20:04:26 No.54182065 Report

Quoted By: >>54183337

>>54180784
Lonely, Naughty, Rash, and Mild are trash. Just use Adamant or Modest, even on slow mixed attackers. Coverage is more important than raw power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 00:07:25 No.54183210 Report

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>>54181055
Deoxys Attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 00:37:47 No.54183324 Report

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>>54180381
-Atk/-SpAtk ones like Modest Jolly etc are always top tier cause 99% of the time you’ll have a useless offensive stat you don’t need
-Speed ones are decent for trick room/gyro ball. Niche but they have uses.
-Defense or -SpDef ones are total trash. Only mixed attackers (lmao) even have any use for them and even then these natures are a huge reason why mixed attackers are considered bad in the first place (artificially weakened bulk due to having to run a -def nature).
That being said even the -def natures have more use than the neutral ones since literally every single set on every single pokemon is always going to have a better fitting nature than a neutral one

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 00:39:30 No.54183335 Report

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>>54180325
easier to balance too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 00:40:10 No.54183337 Report

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>>54182065
Nah, these natures were at least important in Gen 3 when damage category were still based on types.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 00:40:21 No.54183339 Report

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>>54180649
>queer
>cocksure
>niggardly
Is it bad that I chuckled at these?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 00:42:17 No.54183349 Report

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>>54180785
Based and P.O.I.P. pilled

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 00:52:20 No.54183399 Report

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>>54180315
The ones that lower one defense and raise the other are the absolute worst. There is no situation where you'd want one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 02:36:05 No.54183823 Report

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>>54180325
I dislike Natures and and to some extent EV's due to how they force you to min-max in a specific way, IV's are just annoying.

I had a thought about 'fixing' natures, or at least getting them away from stat increases. First assign types that are best associated with the natures (Relaxed being grass, water, ground. Brave being Dragon, Dark, Fighting, etc.) So a pokemon with that nature will get a slight defensive against those types, or get pseudo-STAB when using those types of moves.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 02:38:04 No.54183830 Report

Quoted By: >>54184294

Hardy!

Because despite being hardy (apparently), Cynthia still couldn't last in a stomach. No amount of burn heal or full restore can save her! No point using a max revive or an awakening on dead meat now!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Aug 2023 04:45:38 No.54184294 Report

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>>54183830
who sexually abused you as a child

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