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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:45:50 No.55128704 View View Reply Original Report

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How come no one ever complains about the Unova pandering in XY or how the Unova references ruin Kalos's identity?

...Could it be that "pandering" is a disingenuous non-critique only made because zoomers are jealous of Kanto?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:47:22 No.55128709 Report

Quoted By: >>55129281 >>55130419 >>55132253

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:48:29 No.55128715 Report

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No, simply at the time people were looking for the DEEPEST LORE behind those statues.
Turns out, there was nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:50:10 No.55128725 Report

Quoted By: >>55128730 >>55128741

Referencing is not the same as pandering. You should have understood this years ago.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:50:43 No.55128730 Report

Quoted By: >>55128747 >>55129141

>>55128725
This. Kalos doesn't have any Kanto pandering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:52:51 No.55128741 Report

Quoted By: >>55128782

>>55128725
References:
Definition: References in a game typically involve callbacks or nods to previous installments, characters, events, or elements within the same series. These references can be subtle Easter eggs, lore connections, or direct callbacks that add depth and continuity to the game world.
Purpose: References are often used to reward long-time fans who have followed the series, creating a sense of nostalgia and continuity. They can also serve to enrich the narrative by building on established lore.
Pandering:
Definition: Pandering, on the other hand, refers to the inclusion of content solely to cater to fan expectations or desires, often at the expense of the overall narrative or game design. It involves giving in to popular demands without considering whether it fits organically into the story or game mechanics.
Purpose: Pandering may be done to capitalize on nostalgia or fan fervor, but it can sometimes result in a disjointed or contrived experience if not handled carefully. It's an approach that prioritizes fan service over artistic or narrative integrity.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:54:41 No.55128747 Report

Quoted By: >>55128751 >>55128758

>>55128730
Kalos pandering to Kanto was blatant and out of proportion

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:55:15 No.55128751 Report

Quoted By: >>55128755 >>55129203

>>55128747
Kalos pandering to Unova was blatant and out of proportion

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:56:01 No.55128755 Report

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>>55128751
How? it wasn't excessive like Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:56:26 No.55128758 Report

Quoted By: >>55128773 >>55131602

>>55128747
How? it wasn't excessive like Unova.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 19:59:44 No.55128773 Report

Quoted By: >>55128789 >>55128800 >>55128806

>>55128758
Kalos did not "excessively" pander to Unova, as it references Unova on a level that roughly matches its references to other regions. The only exception is Kanto, which had all of the following: A French Forest magically having the exact same layout as a Japanese one. Pidgey being a mandatory first encounter. Snorlaxes magically having an affinity for sleeping on bridges. Mewtwo magically having an affinity to stand in caves. Kanto starters being handed out for no apparent reason. Kanto pokemon being magically more prone to mega evolving. Pure coincidence dictating that you can only catch Kanto Legendaries in postgames. None of these can be lore explained in a way that accomplishes worldbuilding; only explained through the lens of “they wanted you to feel nostalgia”.
>inb4 YOU HATE POKEMON IN A POKEMON GAME
Not what I'm saying. That's strawmanning the argument, when the argument is how they are presented and how they take away spotlight from the new (indicating the new dex is shit, but I digress).

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:02:08 No.55128782 Report

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>>55128741
>Pandering, on the other hand, refers to the inclusion of content solely to cater to fan expectations or desires, often at the expense of the overall narrative or game design.
Holy shit this exactly fits with shoe-horning Kanto starters and the only post-game legendaries being Zygarde, Mewtwo, and the birds.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:02:54 No.55128789 Report

Quoted By: >>55128798 >>55128807

>>55128773
All those fit organically in to the game so it isn't pandering by your own definition.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:03:19 No.55128794 Report

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>>55128704
Oh wow they gave the previous generation attention at a certain segment of a game like they have done with every other fucking installment? Also, why the fuck would anyone be jealous of that boring ass needlessly rehashed region? The only time Kanto should even be touched upon is when the Kanto or Johto games are ready for a remake, or if it's a whole region added onto the game to create more fun and engaging content. Other than that. Kanto can go fuck itself.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:04:44 No.55128798 Report

Quoted By: >>55128824 >>55128834 >>55129521

>>55128789
What the fuck was organic about getting handed a second starter from KANTOOOOOOOO, Charizard and Mewtwo inexplicably getting TWO megas, and a literal one-off science experiment from Kanto inexplicably sitting alone in a cave half the world away?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:05:43 No.55128800 Report

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>>55128773
Mewtwo and Snorlax are worldbuilding with the Pokémon Village and the Parfum Palace having a Pokeflute

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:06:52 No.55128806 Report

Quoted By: >>55128816 >>55128835 >>55129055

>>55128773
Kalos did not "excessively" pander to Kanto, as it references Kanto on a level that roughly matches its references to other regions. The only exception is Unova, which had all of the following: A French Institute magically having the exact same layout as an American one. All three Unova monkeys being a forced trainer encounter. Cryogonal magically having an affinity for living in cold areas. Pawniard magically having an affinity to stand in urban areas. Kanto starters being handed out for no apparent reason. Unova pokemon being magically more prone to being statues. Pure coincidence dictating that you can only meet a guy who knows a hiker that went on the ferris wheel. None of these can be lore explained in a way that accomplishes worldbuilding; only explained through the lens of “they wanted you to feel nostalgia”.
>inb4 YOU HATE POKEMON IN A POKEMON GAME
Not what I'm saying. That's strawmanning the argument, when the argument is how they are presented and how they take away spotlight from the new (indicating the new dex is shit, but I digress).

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:06:54 No.55128807 Report

Quoted By: >>55128817 >>55128824

>>55128789
Those aren't organic at all.
I can list them all out and write "is not organic" after them, but anyone with a brain knows they're basically coincidences or impossible in the real world. Why the fuck are there identical forests? Kanto starters? Disproportionate Megas?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:07:59 No.55128815 Report

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>>55128704
Because nobody care about the worst pokemon games anymore

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:08:06 No.55128816 Report

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>>55128806
are you fucking retarded
are you literally fucking retarded
did Emboar get two megas I wasn't aware of?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:08:27 No.55128817 Report

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>>55128807
>Why the fuck are there identical forests
the same reason there's an identical nature preserve

>Kanto starters
anon I hate to break this to you but animals can show up to more than one part of the world. Do you go to a zoo and scream about how it's africa pandering because there are giraffes and lions and elephants there?

>Disproportionate Megas?
There are more hoenn megas than kanto megas. Interesting how you're not whining about that.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:09:57 No.55128821 Report

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imagine unironically trying to use "pidgey is the first encounter of the game" and "snorlax sleeps" as examples of pandering lmao

unovafags have been absolutely fucking mindbroken by kanto out of sheer jealousy and they're DESPERATE to shit on XY because of its superiority.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:10:47 No.55128823 Report

Quoted By: >>55131018 >>55131039

>>55128704
>How come no one ever complains about the Unova pandering in XY or how the Unova references ruin Kalos's identity?
Because it doesn't and it was tasteful.
The only people that complain about XY's references are those that want to scapegoat away from the unapologetic pandering that Gen 7 started and Gen 8 continued.
Pic related. This should have easily been UNOVANS like waiting in lines, since Unovans actually fucking do that for casteliacones whereas nothing in kanto ever implies as much.
XY are positively mediocre, shit, games. Whatever, but at least they didn't turn Kanto into a fucking buzzword.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:10:49 No.55128824 Report

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>>55128798
>getting handed a second starter
Gift pokemon have been in the series since day 1.
>Charizard and Mewtwo inexplicably getting TWO megas
It's not any more inexplicable than pokemon mega evolving in the first place.
>literal one-off science experiment from Kanto inexplicably sitting alone in a cave half the world away?
It's in Pokemon Village. That's the exact type of place Mewtwo would go.
>>55128807
The only true complaint you've said is the forest. It's not a bidlg deal.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:12:32 No.55128831 Report

Quoted By: >>55128837 >>55128849

>>55128817
>anon I hate to break this to you but animals can show up to more than one part of the world
you understand that the devs have full control over what appears in the game and what doesn't, right? You act like they had no fucking control over it.
Explain why the second starter you get (which no game has done before or since) are from Kanto and not say, Johto or Sinnoh. Why didn't we get megas for those starters?
>There are more hoenn megas than kanto megas.
No shit retard, ORAS existed, and they still couldn't help themselves

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:12:48 No.55128833 Report

Quoted By: >>55129215

>>55128704
because shills that started with unova who are the ones who get upset with kanto

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:13:01 No.55128834 Report

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>>55128798
because it's not organic. It's a copy paste and heavily trying to profit off of nostalgia. Meanwhile Unova still got quite a bit of attention being that it was still relevant at the time of X and Y releasing. Kanto on the other hand had zero right to be shoehorned especially when gen 3 remakes still needed to be touched upon back then. Also, Unova got attention in gen 9 because they're do for a remake/revisit. And while THAT is pandering, it's at least appropriately timed pandering unlike all the needless Kanto pandering.

>>55128817
People didn't whine about Hoenn pandering because it was due for a remake, and the pandering was appropriate at the time. Kanto on the other reason, wasn't really due for a remake, and all of it's references were needless.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:13:11 No.55128835 Report

Quoted By: >>55128850

>>55128806
Buildings frequently have the same or similar blueprints, especially when serving identical purposes. This never happens with fucking forests.
>Unova monkeys
This isn't unnatural. Most pokemon to ever exist are in trainer encounters. It's kind of the whole gimmick of the series.
>Cryoganal
>Pawniard
These aren't unnatural. Animals live in areas that they're adapted to. It's certainly not the case that Snorlax's entire purpose within the Poke World is to sleep on bridges or Mewtwo to live in Caves. These were only done to call back to Kanto.
>kanto starters in Unova
What are you on about?
>Unova pokemon having more statues
Sure, but that's minuscule in comparison and barely noticeable. Megas are the opposite.
>meeting people who reference previous events in previous games
This isn't forced and happens with more previous regions than just Unova.
All in all, shit bait. But that was obvious when you admitted defeat by parroting.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:13:29 No.55128837 Report

Quoted By: >>55128861

>>55128831
>you understand that the devs have full control over what appears in the game and what doesn't, right?
yeah? and?

>Explain why the second starter you get (which no game has done before or since) are from Kanto and not say, Johto or Sinnoh
because why not?

>No shit retard
So....megas aren't disproportionate to Kanto and you have no argument. Glad we agree.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:14:46 No.55128849 Report

Quoted By: >>55128852 >>55128887

>>55128831
>Explain why the second starter you get (which no game has done before or since)
BW gave you every old starter through even less organic means.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:14:49 No.55128850 Report

Quoted By: >>55128871

>>55128835
>This never happens with fucking forests
Anon...you know forests can be artificially made, right?

>This isn't unnatural
Just like Snorlax

>These aren't unnatural
Just like Mewtwo

>Sure, but that's minuscule in comparison and barely noticeable
Just like Megas

>This isn't forced
Just like Kanto legendaries

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:15:30 No.55128852 Report

Quoted By: >>55128866

>>55128849
Not before the third gym they didn't

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:17:35 No.55128861 Report

Quoted By: >>55128865

>>55128837
ORAS came out after X/Y retard.
Of course ORAS mons would get the focus for more megas.
We're talking about X/Y.
And despite that, despite everything, they still gave us more KANTOOOOOOO megas in ORAS.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:18:17 No.55128865 Report

Quoted By: >>55128886

>>55128861
>Of course ORAS mons would get the focus for more megas.
And of course XY Pokemon would get the focus for more megas. Where's your argument?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:18:47 No.55128866 Report

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>>55128852
Oh, I guess that means that they didn't do it.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:19:10 No.55128868 Report

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BW also had a lot of Gen 4 pandering and RS had a lot of Gen 2 pandering

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:19:49 No.55128871 Report

Quoted By: >>55128895

>>55128850
>forests can be artificially made, right?
If that's your defense why id a forest literally scuplted after a Kantonian one? Are the citizens of Kalos just sucking Kanto's due 24/7?
>Snorlax, Metro, Megas, and Birds are natural and not forced because I said so lol
I already explained this: It's certainly not the case that Snorlax's entire purpose within the Poke World is to sleep on bridges or Mewtwo to live in Caves. These were only done to call back to Kanto. Statues are minuscule in comparison and barely noticeable. Megas are the opposite, being the generational gimmick and all. Kanto legendaries are forced because Kalos's entire postgame is just catching the same legendaries as Kanto's postgame + Zygarde. This is unnatural.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:20:13 No.55128874 Report

Quoted By: >>55128899 >>55128968 >>55130650

Reminder that gen 6 came out after gen 5, which was panned by retarded casuals for not having le epic Pikachu/Charizard in it so they did a complete 180 and MADE SURE you didn't go more than an hour without having access to Charizard.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:22:00 No.55128886 Report

Quoted By: >>55128895

>>55128865
My god you're so underage not even fucking funny. XY mons didn't get megas because nobody knew who the fuck they were at the time, so there was no need for pandering. Needless Kanto pandering clearly happened so much more than you remember, assuming you aren't an underage who only touched the switch games, but I doubt it.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:22:17 No.55128887 Report

Quoted By: >>55128944

>>55128849
When the fuck did this happen? Events are just temporary gimmicks mate.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:23:14 No.55128895 Report

Quoted By: >>55128907 >>55128924

>>55128871
>If that's your defense why id a forest literally scuplted after a Kantonian one?
why not?

>>55128871
>It's certainly not the case that Snorlax's entire purpose within the Poke World is to sleep on bridges
XY is the only game where Snorlax sleeps on a bridge. You aight, schizo? Is the jealous seething over Kanto starting to rot your brain?

>Mewtwo to live in Caves
Mewtwo lives in secluded areas because it doesn't like humans, so yes, it likes to live in caves.

>Statues are minuscule in comparison and barely noticeable
Just like megas

>the postgame is catching kanto pokemon except the ones that aren't kanto pokemon
compelling argument

>>55128886
>XY mons didn't get megas
every single Pokemon that got a mega in XY except Lati@s and Blaziken (which are both Hoenn Pokemon) show up in Kalos's regional dex. Therefore they're Kalos Pokemon equally as much as they are Kanto Pokemon. For someone who whines about world building you sure have a poor understanding of how it works, huh?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:23:54 No.55128899 Report

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>>55128874
Fucking exactly, ingrate HATED Unova because they had to experiment with new pokemon during the story. Like be fucking glad the national dex was a thing back then.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:24:50 No.55128906 Report

Quoted By: >>55128911 >>55128914 >>55128931 >>55129183 >>55129536 >>55129551

This thread is a good illustration of why "Kanto pandering" is a completely worthless critique. It basically just boils down to
>I'm jealous [popular gen 1 pokemon] got attention and not [pokemon I like]

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:25:01 No.55128907 Report

Quoted By: >>55128920

>>55128895
By X and Y mons, I meant gen 6 mons, not the regional dex. Dumb fucking twat.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:26:47 No.55128911 Report

Quoted By: >>55128931

>>55128906
don't forget the cave that's before the elite 4 that's unnaturally called "victory road" in every single game

but that doesn't count as pandering because game I like also did it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:27:40 No.55128914 Report

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>>55128906
As a person who LOVES the Johto games (Especially HGSS) I don't mind if Kanto gets attention. I only have a problem when it gets needless shoehorned attention that only benefits nostalgia fags. At least having access to Kanto was fun and actually made fucking sense in the Johto games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:27:57 No.55128920 Report

Quoted By: >>55128926

>>55128907
Generations don't exist in-universe. So it's not relevant if we're talking about world building.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:28:08 No.55128922 Report

Quoted By: >>55128931

>>55128704
Anyone that complains about pandering is a genuine subhuman. The old games are filled with shit like “I’m here from the Johto region’”. Mainly unovafags malding their failed reboots flopped and no one cares about their ugly dex of Kanto rip-offs

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:28:57 No.55128924 Report

Quoted By: >>55128951

>>55128895
>why not?
Because that's unnatural.
>XY is [FANFIC]
Great, so your arguments stem from a lack of actually playing the games in question.
>Mewtwo lives in secluded areas.
Why specifically standing in the middle of a cave? Why not the back alley of a city? Why not the top of a mountain? The cave was done for pure nostalgia sake.
>Just like megas
False. Megas were a headlining feature shilled left and right, with Kanto pokemon receiving them out of proportion.
>except the ones that aren't Kanto pokemon
Your defense is that 4/5 postgame legendaries being Kanto legendaries means it's not out of proportion towards kanto? That's an even more compelling argument....
>they're Kalos Pokemon equally as much as they are Kanto Pokemon
Not from the player's or even the devs' perspective. They reason Pokemon "originally discovered in Kanto" got disproportionate treatment with Megas is because they were first usage in kanto, so Mega Evolving them would give long time players nostalgia that their bros from the original games can now evolve further. And it's unnatural because those pokemon get more mega seemingly for no reason in lore.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:29:39 No.55128926 Report

Quoted By: >>55128927

>>55128920
Oh shit, forgot to mention I am not the guy who argued about worldbuilding. I was mainly arguing about the pokemon megas.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:30:09 No.55128927 Report

Quoted By: >>55128933 >>55128938

>>55128926
what's wrong with pokemon in the region getting megas? You don't have a problem when hoenn does it.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:31:12 No.55128931 Report

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>>55128906
>>55128911
That's just how the Pokemon world is structured. That's like saying every democracy in the world believe Greeks are superior people. Meanwhile XY goes out of it's way to make you feel nostalgia for Kanto, while giving the finger to any natural feeling worldbuilding
>>55128922
Samefag detected

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:32:13 No.55128933 Report

Quoted By: >>55128948

>>55128927
Hoenn made sense, given Hoenn remakes. What's the reason for Kanto again?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:32:59 No.55128938 Report

Quoted By: >>55128948

>>55128927
I am not arguing about the region, I am moreso arguing about the mons in each generation they originated from. It was appropriate when Hoenn did it because those games were due for a remake. Why did Kanto get all the attention, when none of that shit was even necessary at the time?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:35:27 No.55128944 Report

Quoted By: >>55128952

>>55128887
>i-it doesn't count
kys

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:35:57 No.55128948 Report

Quoted By: >>55128967 >>55128974

>>55128933
>Hoenn made sense
So does Kalos.

>What's the reason for Kanto again?
Kanto Pokemon show up in Kalos.

>>55128938
How are generations relevant for anything? Gen 1 Pokemon are still in XY. So it makes sense for them to get Megas.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:36:51 No.55128951 Report

Quoted By: >>55128967

>>55128924
>he keeps ignoring pokemon village
Most honest unovafag.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:37:22 No.55128952 Report

Quoted By: >>55129090

>>55128944
>obscure gifts only a select few people actually ever interacted with is totally the same as in your face forced distributions that pander specifically to one region and is reproducible as long as the game exists
If the argument is about pandering, presentation is important. Not just "does it exist or not". Stop being intentionally obtuse.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:38:37 No.55128958 Report

Quoted By: >>55128979

Here are examples of games that were ACTUALLY ruined by Kanto pandering.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:39:55 No.55128967 Report

Quoted By: >>55129118

>>55128948
>it doesn't matter! The only thing that matters is where they're found now!
Why do you think no Kalos pokemon got mega anon Think rationally. The only source of this discussion stems from the generation pokemon came from. That's why it feels unnatural.
>>55128951
>pokemon village
Cool, someone mentioned him just like in Kanto. He isn't actually catchable there but rather in the cave instead.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:39:58 No.55128968 Report

Quoted By: >>55128983 >>55129584

>>55128874
Why do people hate BW for not having Charizard, but love PLA when it doesn't have Charizard

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:41:50 No.55128974 Report

Quoted By: >>55129118

>>55128948
Then why didn't many gen 2 mons, or any mons in gen 6, THE FUCKING GENERATION WHERE MEGAS WERE INTRODUCED get megas? Because needlessly pandering to Kanto was more profitable, other than that there was no reason why Kanto mons got THIS much attention.
>Gen 1 mons introduced in Kanto were in the Kalos games making them Kalos mons.
Are you fucking retarded? Charizard is a Kalos mon? Do you know how fucking idiotic you sound? Who the fuck let you on the internet. Saying Charizard is from Kalos is like saying Naruto is from Fortnite. Underage spotted, kill yourself.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:42:49 No.55128979 Report

Quoted By: >>55129003

>>55128958
Because at the time of the Sinnoh games, Kanto Pokemon were roughly a third of all Pokemon at the time, and all the regions were Japanese and close to one another, so it made sense for Sinnoh to heavily use more Kanto encounters and reference the other three regions a considerable amount. These references were done in a way that built up the world (except maybe encounter pools, but this was due to less total pokemon at the time, so only certain pokemon would fit well in certain areas) and this didn't break immersion. it wasn't done to bait nostalgia. XY's pandering, in almost every example, is unnatural, with it's only explanation being "they wanted to stimulate your nostalgia", with these events barely making sense and being evermore focused on Kanto exclusively, when Kanto Pokemon at the time comprised of only about 20 percent of all pokemon at the time, and France being quite a ways away from Japan.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:43:44 No.55128983 Report

Quoted By: >>55128993

>>55128968
Because that’s Unovafaggot headcanon. People don’t like BW because the Gen 5 pokemon are ugly as fuck.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:45:19 No.55128993 Report

Quoted By: >>55129012 >>55129098

>>55128983
>Unovafaggot headcanon
It's quite literally overwhelming opinions online. Everyone shat on Unova in advance for being outside of Japan and locking out previous mons, but then they covered their asses with "the dex is just bad" without actually proving it. Initial vocal minorities dictate "default" opinions.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:46:46 No.55129000 Report

Quoted By: >>55129006 >>55129030 >>55129051

Days since an Unovafag last seethed about Kanto: 0

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:48:01 No.55129003 Report

Quoted By: >>55129021 >>55129467

>>55128979
> Because at the time of the Sinnoh games, Kanto Pokemon were roughly a third of all Pokemon at the time
Not an excuse. I shouldn’t go to a place called IRON ISLAND then see nothing but fucking Graveler and Golbat and Onix there instead of Aron or Mawile or Beldum. I shouldn’t be climbing through an icy mountain and see more fucking MACHOKE than actual ice Pokemon.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:48:29 No.55129006 Report

Quoted By: >>55129023

>>55129000
As a Unovafag I love the Kanto games as well. I dislike the Kalos games, and I suspect my sentiment is pretty fucking common, The only reason to disagree is that you're actually a Kalosfag, not Kantofag, seething about muh Unova. Unova has always been /vp/'s boogeyman.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:49:37 No.55129012 Report

Quoted By: >>55129032 >>55129059

>>55128993
Right. Which is why you can never provide actual image proof of people complaining about the lack of Charizard / Pikachu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:50:43 No.55129021 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129003
point taken, but no. Iron island isn't actually iron as the reserves dried up. it's just a regular cave with cave pokemon now. I agree there should be more diversity with encounters, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:50:53 No.55129023 Report

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>>55129006
and because of those ingrates, we got dexit and charizard's ass in our face, gamefreak lost their touch, and now the switch games are pure fucking aids because most fans are either ingrateful schizos or pushovers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:51:55 No.55129030 Report

Quoted By: >>55129041

>>55129000
As a Kalosfag I loe the Kanto games as well. I dislike the Unova games, and i suspect my sentiment is pretty fucking common. The only reason to disagree is that you're actually a Aunovafag, not Kantofag, seething about muh Kalos. Kalos has always been /vp/'s boogeyman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:52:36 No.55129032 Report

Quoted By: >>55129049

>>55129012
Are you denying accepted facts? I'm not here to spoon-feed you anon. Stop being an insufferable revisionist faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:53:48 No.55129041 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129030
You responding to that post makes no sense, given what you're saying. On top of that, you can't even fucking type properly.
I hate zoomers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:55:19 No.55129049 Report

Quoted By: >>55129068 >>55129070 >>55129218

>>55129032
It's not an accepted fact that people didn't like BW because there was no Charizard. Otherwise, they wouldn't like Gens 2-4, or PLA when it isn't in those games either. Something doesn't add up, and it's because you're the one trying to revise history

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:55:34 No.55129051 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129000
As a Alolafag I love the Hoenn games as well. I dislike the Galar games, and I suspect my sentiment is pretty fucking common, The only reason to disagree is that you're actually a Hoennfag, not Johtofag, seething about muh Paldea. Hisui has always been /vp/'s boogeyman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:56:08 No.55129055 Report

Quoted By: >>55129060

>>55128806
Holy fuck you're forcing your argument so hard you forgot to remove the Kanto starters part

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:57:18 No.55129059 Report

Quoted By: >>55129073

>>55129012
You're clearly an underage who wasn't there for gen 5. People HATED it when it came out, and everyone was ingrateful and insufferable, and now being an ingrate bit them in the ass, and now people are defending a lack of content and shoehorned dogshit because.
>It makes muh (Insert boogeyman here) mad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:57:24 No.55129060 Report

Quoted By: >>55129075

>>55129055
> Holy fuck you're forcing your argument so hard
a prerequisite for trying to argue that pandering is a problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:57:49 No.55129061 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128817
A natural forest that just so happens to be a carbon copy of one across the world is different than a small artificial land mass being shaped to reference an area connected to Unova

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 20:59:19 No.55129068 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129049
>Something doesn't add up
Maybe the fact that you're misinterpreting the argument again. the critique was that previous gen mons weren't transferable into BW until after the credits, while they were in previous gens. It was never about obtaining them in that game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:00:15 No.55129070 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129049
Not just because there was no Charizard, but because there was no other previous gen mons in the regional dex, and people are mad because the popular mons weren't dickridden and shoehorned. People obviously complained about more than a lack of Pikachu and Charizard, and nowadays we have that same issue but on a larger scale with dexit. They should've just been grateful that they could at least play with all the pokemon in the postgame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:01:17 No.55129073 Report

Quoted By: >>55129085

>>55129059
So why can't you ever post any proof of the hate? I have the historical data of the game's reviews and it's overwhelmingly positive. Surely you can find some posts condemning the games because of no Pikachu / Charizard, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:02:01 No.55129075 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129060
You know what, how about fuck you. Your copy pasta is a pretty good analogy for pandering instead of references. Your copypasta reposts already existing content with no regard for how it fits into the conversation, like so:
>the sky is blue
>the sky is orange
>look up
>look up
>anyone with measuring equipment can measure the wavelength and match it to the color humans accepted as blue
>anyone with measuring equipment can measure the wavelength and match it to the color humans accepted as orange
Just like Kanto pandering in Kalos, it assumes everything is just the sum of its parts with no regard to how things are with respect to other things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:03:45 No.55129085 Report

Quoted By: >>55129099

>>55129073
I am probably gonna have to go to the wayback machine or like old YouTube, deep into 4chan archives and shit. It's gonna be a bit more difficult to find those screenshots nowadays. But I guess I can look for them if you would like. Unless, you would like to do your own research?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:05:13 No.55129090 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128952
Responding to what is said isn't being obtuse. Stop saying retarded things like no other game has ever given you other starters if you don't want people to tell you that thats not true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:05:38 No.55129091 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128704
Is it XYfags who complain about the kanto pandering critique? Because if so it makes no sense.
Kalos is an incredibly interesting region with a ton of unanswered questions and mysteries. But all of that is shafted to pandering every generation except itself. Especially gen 4 and gen 1.
Lucario getting a huge statue and tower dedicated to it... or the gen 6 starters not even getting their own moment because CHARIZARD was given to the player with TWO special forms.
Gen 7 had its share of kanto pandering as well, with all alola forms being gen 1. Now that I think about it most "regional forms" are just kanto pandering over and over again with Galar giving us a few nonkanto options.
Christ I'm so sick of kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:06:31 No.55129098 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128993
How is anyone supposed to prove that? It's just a popular opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:06:35 No.55129099 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129085
I did do my own research and it shows that some people of many didn't like how the Gen 5 designs were so derivative of Kanto's. I have not found any posts about people upset that they couldn't catch Charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:08:52 No.55129109 Report

Quoted By:

https://www.pokebeach.com/forums/threads/did-game-freak-really-run-out-of-ideas-for-gen-5.87221/
Wow... REALLY feeling the scorching hate (not)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:08:59 No.55129110 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128704
Because the Unova pandering never got to the point were JOHTO-CENTRIC TOWN in Alola was filled with Kanto references like nugget bridge and Lt. Surge's gym.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:10:28 No.55129118 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128967
>Why do you think no Kalos pokemon got mega anon
Why should they get Megas? How does it even slightly matter? Lets say I haven't played a Pokemon game in my life, and XY is my first game. How would it feel unnatural?
\>>55128974
>Then why didn't many gen 2 mons, or any mons in gen 6,
Because why not?

>Because needlessly pandering to Kanto was more profitable
The actual meta reason is that giving new evolutions to Pokemon that already new when the whole appeal of new evolutions is seeing how old designed got changed makes no sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:13:13 No.55129128 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128704
Just when you thought Kalos couldn't be more souless, it needs to leech off better and superior regions like Unova.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:13:20 No.55129129 Report

Quoted By: >>55129134

>using things from older entries in a series is pandering
Is this modern gamers or just pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:14:08 No.55129134 Report

Quoted By: >>55129145

>>55129129
pokemon fans (unovafags specifically) are literally the only people who ever complain about this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:15:24 No.55129137 Report

Quoted By: >>55129146

xy wasn't good. Get over it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:15:47 No.55129141 Report

Quoted By: >>55129153 >>55129158 >>55131424

>>55128730
>Santalune Forest is a 1:1 of Viridian Forest
>A professor gives you three starters from Kanto not even 5 hours after you got your Kalos starters
>Charizard and Mewtwo are the only two Pokemon in histrory to receive two seperate mega evolutions
These are the most notable examples. The problem isn't Kanto pandering in itself. The problem is when it comes to the detriment of the game itself or just seems lazy.
There was no reason for Santalune Forest to be a 1:1 to Viridian Forest. It's literally only memorable because of that. A statue of Zekrom/Reshiram, and a random assortment for Unova mons isn't coming to a detriment of XY. But Charizard haxing both an X and Y mega evolution could have possibly denied us the Mega Flygon Game Freak themselves admitted they were making.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:16:26 No.55129145 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129134
Mindbroken

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:16:40 No.55129146 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129137
Yeah, it referenced Unova so its trash.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:17:14 No.55129149 Report

Quoted By: >>55129167

>no [other region] pandering
>does not get pandered to by [other region]
>is just the most based and comfiest region with an identity of its own
feels good to be a hoennchad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:18:10 No.55129153 Report

Quoted By: >>55129211

>>55129141
>But Charizard haxing both an X and Y mega evolution could have possibly denied us the Mega Flygon
This attitude is retarded but so common. No, one pokemon being made doesn't mean another one didn't get made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:18:34 No.55129156 Report

Quoted By:

Every Kalos thread is full of the discord autistically screeching over Unova

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:18:43 No.55129158 Report

Quoted By: >>55129172

>>55129141
>receiving pokemon that are completely optional to use is a detriment to the game because....uh....it just is
Nope. It's just you being a jealous retard over Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:19:35 No.55129167 Report

Quoted By: >>55129179

>>55129149
>so bad nobody wants to be associated with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:20:52 No.55129172 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129158
I accept your concession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:21:25 No.55129179 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129167
that's right it's terrible here don't come here, stay in KANTOOOOOO or wherever the fuck
we're full

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:22:19 No.55129183 Report

Quoted By: >>55129187 >>55129383

>>55128906
>top are staples that have been in (nearly) every mainline game
>bottom is something only in XY because???
another reason why third worlders should be permabanned from the internet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:23:10 No.55129187 Report

Quoted By: >>55129198 >>55129210

>>55129183
>pandering is ok because game I like did it
Thanks for confirming my point that "kanto pandering" is a fucking worthless arbitrary critique.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:25:48 No.55129198 Report

Quoted By: >>55129199

>>55129187
Are you esl?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:26:06 No.55129199 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129198
Are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:26:34 No.55129203 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128751
Wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:27:22 No.55129208 Report

Quoted By:

>first encounter is always pidgey

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:28:01 No.55129210 Report

Quoted By: >>55129214 >>55129221

>>55129187
>haha well you see being forced to take this kanto pokemon despite having nothing to do with kanto is the same as a pokemon league having 8 badges and a hall of fame
Thanks for confirming my suspicion that you are terminally retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:28:08 No.55129211 Report

Quoted By: >>55129478

>>55129153
Game Freak always has a limited number of mons they want to use for a generation. Sometimes, they take scrapped Pokémon concepts to use for a future generation most of Gen 2 were scapped Gen 1 designs btw, that's why I said that there was a CHANCE, that it was a POSSIBILITY.
They could have scapped Mega Flygon for any reason. It could have simply been a shitty design. They may have wanted to use it for Gen 8 before scrapping Mega Evolutions all together?
Yes, it's highly unlikely Game Freak scrapped Mega Flygon in favor for Charizard X or Y, but until Game Freak gives the very specific reason, people are going to continue to assume. Because that's all we can do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:29:23 No.55129214 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129210
Weird that you draw the line in "forced to take" when you could just box it hmm... maybe these posters are disingenuous...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:29:36 No.55129215 Report

Quoted By: >>55129404

>>55128833
It's not just Unova fans who don't like Kanto pandering

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:30:03 No.55129218 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129049
pla is the only pokemon game on switch to dexcut charizard.
it is also the only pokemon game on switch that flopped harder than bw.
really makes you think

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:30:42 No.55129221 Report

Quoted By: >>55129237

>>55129210
You're right, it's not the same. The whole structure and story of the game being the same as Kanto is way fucking worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:31:10 No.55129224 Report

Quoted By:

>pla
>a beta version for open world pokemon
>sold same as 2 games so its a flop
kekaroo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:35:04 No.55129237 Report

Quoted By: >>55129245 >>55129249

>>55129221
>look, the game is called POKEMON therefore everything is kanto pandering hehe checkmate, what now pal
You're even more retarded than previously thought possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:36:36 No.55129245 Report

Quoted By: >>55129264 >>55129358

>>55129237
>therefore everything is kanto pandering
No, just the stuff that unnaturally copies Kanto, like having 8 badges and a Victory Road and an elite 4.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:36:49 No.55129247 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128704
>recycled stale discordshit bread
kys faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:36:54 No.55129249 Report

Quoted By: >>55129278

>>55129237
>look theres POKEMON in kalos therefore its kanto pandering
Yes thats how you sound like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:39:18 No.55129264 Report

Quoted By: >>55129271

>>55129245
>being forced to take this kanto pokemon out of nowhere just because is more natural than [franchise staples that are present in just about every game]

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:40:55 No.55129271 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129264
>taking pokemon in a game where you're a pokemon trainer who goes adventuring to obtain more pokemon is more natural than every region copying kanto's exact story structure for some reason
Correct.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:42:26 No.55129278 Report

Quoted By: >>55129285 >>55129286

>>55129249
>look you're given the KANTO starter in KALOS therefore its KANTO pandering

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:42:50 No.55129281 Report

Quoted By: >>55129293

>>55128709
I don't get it

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:44:01 No.55129285 Report

Quoted By: >>55129307 >>55129323 >>55129325 >>55129803

>>55129278
>look you're given EVERY starter in Paldea therefore its EVERYTHING pandering

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:44:01 No.55129286 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129278
in-universe they're not Kanto starters. They're just Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:45:02 No.55129293 Report

Quoted By: >>55129302

>>55129281
lazily copying area that appeared in unova game = GOOD because I like unova
lazily copying area that appeared in kanto game = BAD because I dislike kanto

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:46:20 No.55129302 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129293
>Copying good things is le bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:46:58 No.55129307 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129285
never said otherwise plus paldea is garbage anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:48:17 No.55129318 Report

Quoted By:

>55128806
>A snowflake is in a cold place? That’s bullshit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:49:34 No.55129323 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129285
it's in DLC, not the first 20 minutes of the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:49:52 No.55129325 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129285
Correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:49:57 No.55129326 Report

Quoted By:

>A Pokemon is in a Pokemon game? That’s bullshit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:52:49 No.55129339 Report

Quoted By:

>A Pokemon game has a Pokemon League? Inconceivable!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:54:40 No.55129347 Report

Quoted By: >>55130298

>55129318
>a pokemon that's known for sleeping is sleeping? That’s bullshit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:55:42 No.55129352 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128704
>ruin Kalos's identity
You can't ruin what never existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:56:58 No.55129355 Report

Quoted By:

>You have a rival? That's bullshit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:57:17 No.55129358 Report

Quoted By: >>55129363 >>55129365

>>55129245
>like having 8 badges and a Victory Road and an elite 4.
Those are called staples of the series. Building blocks.
Future Final Fantasy entries aren't pandering to the first game because their magic sytem follows a -ra, -ga, or -za naming system. That's just establishing rules within the world to showcase the power of magic within their setting. Like how most Pokemon trainers fight 8 leaders so they can become eligible for the Pokemon League to become champion.

I know this is falling upon deaf ears anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:58:18 No.55129363 Report

Quoted By: >>55129383

>>55129358
>Those are called staples of the series
Evidently not because SM, SS, PLA, and SV don't have all three of those things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:58:19 No.55129365 Report

Quoted By: >>55129383

>>55129358
>establishing rules within the world
wow just like Snorlax sleeping!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 21:59:13 No.55129366 Report

Quoted By:

Pikachu and Charizard have been series staples since 1995 just like the Pokemon league, badges, evil teams, etc but you aren't ready to have that conversation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:00:53 No.55129371 Report

Quoted By:

>unova is unpopular and everyone hates it and ignores it!
>ughhhh look at all this unova shilling and pandering!!
can you discordcucks be consistent?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:00:53 No.55129372 Report

Quoted By:

No one cares about using Gen 1 pokemon. Gen 5 is just that fucking ugly. It's why they had to immediately bring back the better gens 1-4 pokemon in bw2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:01:38 No.55129375 Report

Quoted By: >>55129379

>Galar forcing Charizard down your throat?
>Yep, that's Kanto pandering
>Kalos forcing Bulbasaur down your throat?
>NO YOU DON'T GET IT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:02:47 No.55129379 Report

Quoted By: >>55129386

>>55129375
I don't consider either of those pandering because I'm not a brain rotted autist who thinks pokemon appearing in a pokemon game is a bad thing

If I needed to point out a lazy example of pandering I would probably use the PWT as an example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:02:51 No.55129380 Report

Quoted By:

Damn i don't remember Diantha using the worlds strongest Bulbasaur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:02:59 No.55129381 Report

Quoted By:

a poll of 200ish randos on gamefaqs isn't real life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:03:47 No.55129383 Report

Quoted By: >>55129389

>>55129363
I already addressed that, as seen >>55129183
Please follow the reply chain before you spout stuff.

>>55129365
Snorlax doesn't have to specifically sleep on a bridge that requires a flute to wake it up, as evident of Sword and Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:04:22 No.55129386 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129379
>I don't consider either of those pandering because I'm retarded
We know. You've made that point several times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:04:58 No.55129389 Report

Quoted By: >>55129395 >>55129396

>>55129383
If they're not in every mainline game then clearly they're not staples. It's just pandering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:06:50 No.55129395 Report

Quoted By: >>55129402

>>55129389
>If [arbitrary redefinition of terminology to fit my narrative] then I'm correct

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:06:51 No.55129396 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129389
This is my last reply to you because its obvious you either pretending or are just that retarded. For your sake, I'll assume the former.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:06:52 No.55129397 Report

Quoted By:

Yeah PWT isnt in every mainline game so clearly its pandering. Why is Unova pandering to different regions again? Does it lack its own identity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:07:59 No.55129402 Report

Quoted By: >>55129422

>>55129395
Yes, glad you're aware that you keep arbitrarily redefining what pandering means because you realized that if you were actually consistent it would make games you like look bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:08:23 No.55129404 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129215
You're right: it was also bitter Hoennbaƅƅies at the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:12:23 No.55129422 Report

Quoted By: >>55129446

>>55129402
Good thing I like the Johto games, which are completely free from any Kanto pandering regardless of if I use my definition or your definition (which, coincidentally, keeps changing).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:17:26 No.55129446 Report

Quoted By: >>55129460

>>55129422
Half of gen 2’s dex is baby versions and evolutions of Kanto Pokemon. That’s pandering by your schizo logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:21:00 No.55129460 Report

Quoted By: >>55129465 >>55129469

>>55129446
Incorrect. "Johto" Pokemon were designed at the same time as the "Kanto" Pokemon, so that doesn't apply here. Nice try though, even with you backpedaling on your definition of pandering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:22:05 No.55129465 Report

Quoted By: >>55129477 >>55129491

>>55129460
> Incorrect. [FANFIC]

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:22:40 No.55129467 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129003
>I shouldn’t go to a place called IRON ISLAND then see nothing but fucking Graveler and Golbat and Onix there instead of [shitmon] or [shitmon] or Beldum.
I did not care for the Hoenn dex,

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:22:54 No.55129469 Report

Quoted By: >>55129477

>>55129460
>Johto panders so much they literally steal mons designed for Kanto
grim

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:24:53 No.55129477 Report

Quoted By: >>55129484 >>55129507

>>55129465
>>55129469
>semanticsfagging
These aren’t actual arguments, bros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:24:53 No.55129478 Report

Quoted By: >>55129485

>>55129211
>until Game Freak gives the very specific reason, people are going to continue to assume. Because that's all we can do.
You don't need to assume stupid things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:25:49 No.55129483 Report

Quoted By:

discord thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:25:52 No.55129484 Report

Quoted By: >>55129492

>>55129477
>These aren’t actual arguments, bros.
Wow you just like that described the whole thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:25:58 No.55129485 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129478
How is it stupid? It makes perfect sense give that anon already mentioned they have upper & lowers quotas for designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:25:58 No.55129486 Report

Quoted By: >>55129512

>>55128704
All regions have references to the previous one. Except Galar. Galar left the european union and is an isolated piece of shit nobody wants to touch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:26:52 No.55129491 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129465
>doesn't even know the history
So we can conclude that you don't know what you're talking about. Anyway I've grown bored of this conversation with you though so I'll take the W, you can take the L. Cope, seethe, dilate, sneed, etc, catch you on the flip sigh in some other thread bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:26:58 No.55129492 Report

Quoted By: >>55129507

>>55129484
>if I pretend arguments never existed it becomes true!
Not all arguments are created equal. You’re huffing copium mountains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:27:50 No.55129499 Report

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>>55128817
>the same reason there's an identical nature preserve
Which would be? You didn't actually answer this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:28:56 No.55129507 Report

Quoted By: >>55129572

>>55129492
>>55129477

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:30:19 No.55129512 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129486
>All regions have references to the previous one. Except Gal-

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:33:06 No.55129521 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128798
It's the Mega generation. The entire point of the game was revisiting old mons in a new way. So it's only natural they give you old Pokemon to see their new mega evos. This is also why there were so few new Pokemon and none of them besides a mythical got megas. It's essentially the Greatest Hits album of the Pokemon series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:35:29 No.55129536 Report

Quoted By: >>55129547

>>55128906
>accuse everyone of hypocrisy
>ignore refutations
>convince yourself it's jealousy
Such a feminine way of thinking.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:37:06 No.55129547 Report

Quoted By: >>55129558

>>55129536
I can’t ignore something that doesn’t exist

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:38:14 No.55129551 Report

Quoted By: >>55130358

>>55128906
You forgot
>pokemon can battle
Huge KANTOOOOO pandering there!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:39:19 No.55129558 Report

Quoted By: >>55129577

>>55129547
You're definitely on HRT with a reply like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:40:31 No.55129568 Report

Quoted By:

Because unova hate is just a meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:41:12 No.55129572 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129507
Like I said, not all arguments are created equal. Your’s aren’t proper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:42:04 No.55129577 Report

Quoted By: >>55129585

>>55129558
>HRT
Why would you even know what that is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:42:21 No.55129579 Report

Quoted By: >>55129618

>Your’s aren’t proper.
>still cant refute a single one
Weird...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:43:36 No.55129584 Report

Quoted By: >>55130598

>>55128968
Almost as if 3,030 days of nonstop Kanto & Charizard wank would make people tired of seeing Charizard every 5 minutes.
PLA was a breath of fresh air for a variety of reasons, Charizard not being mentioned is one of them. Shame SV had to screw up and make Charizard the first Tera Raid event.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:43:43 No.55129585 Report

Quoted By: >>55129644

>>55129577
Discords full of "people" like yourself keep shilling it all over the internet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:50:48 No.55129618 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129579
Why would I refute you just saying something is “[fanfic]” or saying Johto pandered so hard it “stole” designs? These are obvious bait responses anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:53:27 No.55129636 Report

Quoted By: >>55129690

Yes we know you cant refute any of the arguments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 22:56:38 No.55129644 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129585
>"Discords"
>not /b/ porn addicts
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:02:01 No.55129690 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129636
>ur just wrong lmao in an argument
Fine I’ll post my rebuttal here then: “no u wrong”

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:03:25 No.55129693 Report

Quoted By: >>55129791

Glad we agree you have no argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:10:34 No.55129726 Report

Quoted By: >>55129796

>Kalostards are doing that thing again where they reduces things to their bare similarities then pretend they're the exact same
"Communism and Capitalism are the exact same they both have people in them jajaja you are a hypocrite or something"

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:23:11 No.55129791 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129693
We were exchanging arguments u til you responded with a non argument after hitting a wall. I decided to point out how it’s a non argument instead of refute it, which wouldn’t make sense because it isn’t an argument. So yes, you don’t have an argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:24:29 No.55129796 Report

Quoted By: >>55129808

>>55129726
> Kalostards are doing that thing again where they reduces things to their bare similarities
where

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:25:09 No.55129803 Report

Quoted By: >>55129881

>>55129285
thé unova starters are transfer only

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:25:50 No.55129808 Report

Quoted By: >>55129890

>>55129796
Like reducing an argument about spotlight and special treatment to one about Pokemon simply appearing. Among other cases.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:27:35 No.55129817 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128704
>zoomers are jealous of Kanto?
This is a nonsensical statement when you consider that zoomers are more likely to have nostalgia for Kanto considering that Kanto has multiple remakes.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:40:55 No.55129881 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129803
No they arent.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:43:14 No.55129890 Report

Quoted By: >>55129950 >>55130626

>>55129808
>Like reducing an argument about spotlight and special treatment to one about Pokemon simply appearing
That's literally what it is though. A fucking Pidgey appears and you start screeching about it being Kanto pandering. A fucking Snorlax appears and you start screeching about it being Kanto pandering.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:58:57 No.55129950 Report

Quoted By: >>55129960

>>55129890
>That's literally what it is though.
Can't read I see.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:59:22 No.55129955 Report

Quoted By:

Because Unova being a war ally is just cool backstory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2023 23:59:51 No.55129960 Report

Quoted By: >>55129991

>>55129950
I can read. That's the problem. I can read your shit arguments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:06:23 No.55129991 Report

Quoted By: >>55130016

>>55129960
Evidently not since you think the whole complaint is merely about Snorlax appearing at all.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:10:58 No.55130016 Report

Quoted By: >>55130059

>>55129991
hmm lets see the rest of the complaint
>it sleeps
ah so you're seething that a pokemon showed up in a pokemon game AND that pokemon behave like pokemon in a pokemon game. That changes everything!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:20:22 No.55130059 Report

Quoted By: >>55130077

>>55130016
>ah so you're seething
I'm not.
>that a pokemon showed up in a pokemon game
Nope.
>AND that pokemon behave like pokemon in a pokemon game.
No not really.
You talk to yourself a lot don't you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:23:26 No.55130077 Report

Quoted By: >>55130084

>>55130059
>N-NO THAT THING I SAID TOTALLY ISN'T WHAT I SAID
lmao

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:24:47 No.55130084 Report

Quoted By: >>55130098 >>55130122

>>55130077
Correct, without the stuttering though. Stop reading what you want to read. If Kanto pandering really was such a nonissue you wouldn't dance around like this.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:27:19 No.55130093 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128704
>because zoomers are jealous of Kanto?
You're saying that as if it isn't zoomer who love it.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:28:50 No.55130098 Report

Quoted By: >>55130113 >>55130126

>>55130084
I'm not dancing around anything. I'm reading exactly what your shit argument said. If Kanto pandering really was such an issue you wouldn't dance around like this.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:31:04 No.55130112 Report

Quoted By: >>55130134 >>55130638

Kalos literally lets you catch an Axew before the 2nd gym which can hard carry your team throughout the entire game. Also has all the elemental monkeys before the 1st gym. Also a Litwick a bit later but can be quickly trained up to carry and has multiple trainers including an elite 4 member that have its evolutionary line. Kalos literally begs you to catch gen 5 Pokémon. It paid more homage to Unova than it ever deserved.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:31:24 No.55130113 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130098
>If Kanto pandering really was such an issue you wouldn't dance around like this
NTA but who's dancing around other than you in trying to deny it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:33:01 No.55130122 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130084
>If Kanto pandering really was such a nonissue you wouldn't dance around like this.
NTA but who's dancing around other than you in trying to claim it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:34:25 No.55130126 Report

Quoted By: >>55130159

>>55130098
>man that anon is really fucking me up, I'll just start copying his posts hoping it works for me since I have no wit of my own

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:37:21 No.55130134 Report

Quoted By: >>55130202

>>55130112
>Kalos literally lets you catch an Axew before the 2nd gym which can hard carry your team throughout the entire game. Also has all the elemental monkeys before the 1st gym
Okay, you can catch about 14 Kanto pokemon before the second gym.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:42:21 No.55130159 Report

Quoted By: >>55130206

>>55130126
>man that anon is really fucking me up, I'll just cry about him using my own low effort posts against me instead of finally making an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:52:45 No.55130202 Report

Quoted By: >>55132382

>>55130134
So what is your complaint exactly? That Kalos wanted to make it possible to acquire Pokémon in the game that are objectively popular, most of which are from Kanto? This just reeks of a Unovafag seething that X&Y rejected the abysmal strategy of making a bloated dex of reskinned Kanto archetypal pokemon and putting Pokémon that people actually love behind a post game wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:54:16 No.55130206 Report

Quoted By: >>55130207

>>55130159
So the post is low effort, but you want to copy it, and you also think I'll lose to it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:54:38 No.55130207 Report

Quoted By: >>55130278

>>55130206
>So the post is low effort, but you want to copy it
Yes. If you're not putting effort into your posts why should I?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 00:58:42 No.55130227 Report

Quoted By:

>216 posts
>39 posters

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:00:33 No.55130238 Report

Quoted By: >>55130294 >>55130306

why do unovafags always resort to pointing out the IP count when they run out of arguments and think they're making a point? it's so weird

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:07:02 No.55130278 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130207
Because you supposedly have a point to make, that's what the thread is for right? Guess not, I accept your concession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:09:57 No.55130294 Report

Quoted By: >>55130396

>>55130238
>why do people calling out my samefagging on threads where I am samefagging???? they should be making more arguments for me to lazily deflect
zzzz

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:10:27 No.55130298 Report

Quoted By: >>55130347 >>55130405 >>55130418 >>55130957

>>55129347
You dumb motherfucker, ever stop and wonder why they didn't use the previous roadblock pokemon, Crustle, instead? Did it HAVE to be Snorlax? It could have been fucking Slaking or something. It was Snorlax for one reason.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:11:46 No.55130306 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130238
because you always out yourself by responding to it in the same manner

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:18:14 No.55130347 Report

Quoted By: >>55130383

I feel like I'm going fucking insane
I can't believe there are so many retards saying that Kalos wasn't clearly a big Kanto wankfest.
We knew it pre-release with the starter megas
We knew it the day it launched with the Kalos legendaries
We knew it when the megas were datamined
We knew it for years afterward
What the grand fuck is this history revisionists shit trying to claim "w-well using Snorlax as a roadblock isn't p-p-pandering because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Snorlax does that! He hasn't done it since a Kanto or Johto? d-doesn't matter!"
I can't fucking get over people defending that shit. See >>55130298
Literally any large Pokemon can do the same role. Sudowoodo did it. Crustle did it, fuck, even Psyduck, another gen 1 fucker, did it.
They could have put anything there. It didn't even need to be a Pokemon in the way as a roadblock. The devs could put literally anything they wanted as a roadblock. But it was Snorlax. You needed to get the Pokeflute to awaken it. What a coincidence! T-that's not pandering! That's just what he does!! The devs cannot stop it from happening!!
Retards. All of you.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:21:05 No.55130358 Report

Quoted By:

>>55129551
Disingenuous faggot

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:25:06 No.55130383 Report

Quoted By: >>55130449

>>55130347
they're just baiting for (You)s, that's all there is to it
the reason they're so derivative and disingenuous with all of their posts is that they're just miming the autistic fucking wojak wiki that got posted a while back. they are quite literally incapable of making a single original thought, which is why every genwar thread devolves into the exact same half-assed arguments no matter what is actually being talked about

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:27:49 No.55130396 Report

Quoted By: >>55130417

>>55130294
>Y-YOU'RE THE ONE SAMEFAGGING! IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE ME!

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:29:09 No.55130405 Report

Quoted By: >>55130411

>>55130298
>Did it HAVE to be Snorlax?
Did it HAVE to be another Pokemon?
Did it HAVE to be 8 badges again?
Did it HAVE to be a cave called Victory Road again?
Did it HAVE to be four trainers called the Elite 4?
Did it HAVE to be Grass/Fire/Water starters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:30:35 No.55130411 Report

Quoted By: >>55130427 >>55130430

>>55130405
Snorlax being a roadbock isn't a staple in 8/9 gens. Surely you're smart enough to understand the difference.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:30:40 No.55130412 Report

Quoted By:

I KNOW that an ape could beat pokemon x and y easily if they were given peanuts and other food along the way

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:31:47 No.55130417 Report

Quoted By: >>55130427

>>55130396
you make this exact same reply in every single one of these shitty genwar threads
at least make an attempt to mix it up you troglodyte

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:32:02 No.55130418 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130298
Because Snorlax is cool and Crustle is literalwhomon? Duh?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:32:17 No.55130419 Report

Quoted By: >>55130427

>>55128709
> they turned the small, missable bonus area for pokedex completion in B2W2 into an actual location for the DLC
That's a deep cut, and because the dlc is meant to be a return to unova so having this location here actually makes sense. Compare this to the XY forest which has an identical layout for no reason other than ???

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:34:02 No.55130427 Report

Quoted By: >>55130465 >>55130654

>>55130411
>pandering is ok if games I liked did it

>>55130417
you make this exact same reply in every single one of these shitty genwar threads
at least make an attempt to mix it up you troglodyte

>>55130419
The nature preserve isn't in Unova.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:34:29 No.55130430 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130411
Snorlax is a roadblock in Generations 1-4, and 6-7.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:38:59 No.55130444 Report

Quoted By: >>55130455

show this to a unova fan to scare them

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:40:23 No.55130449 Report

Quoted By:

see >>55130383
If you have a brain you'll leave this thread to rot instead of continuing to feed this autist's threads.
>b-b-but I'm winning!
No. You don't win arguments against people that aren't actually making arguments.
Find something better to do, this thread's just going to get reposted in three days the same way the rest of the genwar threads are

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:41:36 No.55130455 Report

Quoted By: >>55130456

>>55130444
This is a good example of a reference, not pandering

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:42:08 No.55130456 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130455
Snorlax in XY is a good example of a character from a video game series appearing in another game in the video game series, not pandering

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:43:48 No.55130463 Report

Quoted By: >>55130486

Unovaborts be all like “wtf, game features Snorlax instead of Crustle? It’s almost like they were trying to make a popular game instead of a commercial failure”

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:44:17 No.55130465 Report

Quoted By: >>55130467 >>55131024

>>55130427
You do realize that Blueberry Academy's domes are artificial biomes, yes? It's shockingly reasonable for there to be a part of it that resembles something because somebody knew it existed (which given it's within reasonable airplane flight distance of Unova and is also meant to be a nature preserve like the domes, that's an easy sell). It's less reasonable when it's supposed to be a forest in a completely different part of the world with a likely very different environment (especially given the different Pokemon species in the area) looking exactly identical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:44:50 No.55130467 Report

Quoted By: >>55130494 >>55130515

>>55130465
>You do realize that Blueberry Academy's domes are artificial biomes, yes?
You do realize that forests can be artificially made, yes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:48:31 No.55130486 Report

Quoted By: >>55130495

>>55130463
>man I was really enjoying X/Y until I came across a bridge and it wasn't Snorlax blocking it? Like what the fuck? That's not what I remember from childhood! Why aren't they doing the thing they did in 1998? Wow forget this, I'm returning this game and getting my money back!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:50:16 No.55130494 Report

Quoted By: >>55130515

>>55130467
Oh, I didn't realize there was a line in XY mentioning Santalune Forest was one of those. Do you happen to have any lines from the game about it? I'll accept designer commentary too, while that's arguably canon I'm more than willing to let that slide as far as intent goes. After all, the only indication Clay was Japanese before Legends came out was some designer commentary.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:50:18 No.55130495 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130486
>man I was really enjoying X/Y until I came across a bridge and it was Snorlax blocking it? Like what the fuck? Why the fuck did they put a Pokemon in this Pokemon game? Wow forget this, I'm returning this game and getting my money back!
See how autistic you sound now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 01:54:47 No.55130515 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130467
>>55130494
Looking through the game's text, I didn't see anything. I did see another weird Viridian Forest reference with a kid who wants a Pikachu from Santalune, although I didn't read the Japanese text on either so the phrasing could be different there.
https://serenesforest.net/download/pkmn/XY-Story-ENG.txt

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:16:04 No.55130598 Report

Quoted By: >>55130616

>>55129584
Hell, this whole thread had me second guessing what pandering means. It essentially means to pimp it out due to being used in specific ways

And if one thing can describe what GameFreak does with Charizard, it is definitely whoring it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:19:39 No.55130616 Report

Quoted By: >>55130651 >>55132247

>>55130598
yeah the mushroom kingdom pandering in mario games they do with bowser is ridiculous, they keep pimping him out by using him as the villain in every game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:21:07 No.55130626 Report

Quoted By: >>55130659

>>55129890
A Pidgey being a route encounter is one thing. A new Pokemon of that region being the first forced encounter is one thing. Pidgey being the first forced encounter of a region that it wasn't introduced in is something else

A mandatory forest with parts resembling Viridian Forest is one thing. A massive terrarium with a small area resembling the Nature Preserve is one thing. A mandatory early route forest that is a carbon copy of Viridian Forest is another thing entirely

A sleeping Snorlax being an obstacle is one thing. A Pokeflute being needed to wake up a sleeping Pokemon is one thing. A Snorlax on a bridge is one thing. A sleeping Snorlax on a bridge that requires a Pokeflute to wake up is another thing entirely

A starter from another region being gifted post game is one thing. A starter having two megas is one thing. A starter from another region being forced on you early game with one getting two different megas is another thing entirely

Any one of these things by themselves is one thing. All four of these things happening BEFORE THE SECOND GYM is pandering

Context, use it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:25:20 No.55130638 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130112
Axew, the monkeys, and Litwick aren't mandatory. You can use repel to ignore them entirely

The Pidgey, Snorlax, and Starters are unavoidable, with the Starters being REQUIRED to take. Sure, you can box them, but you are still required to choose one. No other starter has had that treatment. You can do something optional in post game or DLC, but you are never, EVER forced to take a starter from another region as part of the game's story. Only Kanto starters in Kalos

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:27:48 No.55130650 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128874
gen 5 was panned for not letting you catch any Pokémon except it’s own shitty OC Pokémon until the post game, not just kanto pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:27:49 No.55130651 Report

Quoted By: >>55130659

>>55130616
Here's your (You)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:28:50 No.55130654 Report

Quoted By: >>55130678

>>55130427
>The nature preserve isn't in Unova
Yeah it is. Only bulbapedia says it isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:29:10 No.55130659 Report

Quoted By: >>55130736

>>55130626
> A new Pokemon of that region being the first forced encounter is one thing
Why does it have to be a new Pokemon? How is that relevant in the slightest?

>>55130651
>AIEEE STOP PICKING APART MY RETARDED DEFINITION OF PANDERING!!!

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:32:57 No.55130678 Report

Quoted By: >>55131024

>>55130654
based retard

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:42:57 No.55130736 Report

Quoted By: >>55130738

>>55130659
>Why does it have to be a new Pokemon? How is that relevant in the slightest?
I mean, ORAS, the only other Pokemon game to force a first encounter, does it with Wurmple, one of the Pokemon new to RS.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hoenn_Route_101#Pok.C3.A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 02:43:18 No.55130738 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130736
so?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 03:24:07 No.55130957 Report

Quoted By:

>>55130298
>Why did it have to be Snorlax? Why not Crustle or Slaking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 03:37:27 No.55131018 Report

Quoted By: >>55131042

>>55128823
You're right but for me, the Kanto starter in XY was just a tad too far, should've been postgame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 03:38:31 No.55131024 Report

Quoted By: >>55131084

>>55130465
You're forgetting that Skyla flies you to the Nature Preserve and you can see her plane there when you land. Either she managed to get her plane inside the Terrarium or it's a different place.
Plus as >>55130678 shows, it's supposed to be far away from Unova, whereas Blueberry Academy is still referred to as part of Unova, even if separated from the mainland.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 03:42:15 No.55131039 Report

Quoted By:

>>55128823
>Pic related. This should have easily been UNOVANS like waiting in lines, since Unovans actually fucking do that for casteliacones whereas nothing in kanto ever implies as much.
Baaaaaaka. It's literally a joke about bongs and elevens in real life both being stereotyped as being good at queuing. Unova is based off New York, and New Yorkers are in no way thought of as being orderly in any fashion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 03:43:32 No.55131042 Report

Quoted By: >>55131061 >>55131089

>>55131018
>they should arbitrarily give me thing after I’m done 99% of the game’s content!
yeah lets make XY dogshit like Platinum by arbitrarily shoving things to the postgame, that’ll make it better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 03:47:47 No.55131061 Report

Quoted By:

>>55131042
Oh XY is already one of, if not the, worst games in the series so you don't have to worry about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 03:52:58 No.55131084 Report

Quoted By:

>>55131024
I don't see how that contradicts anything I said

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 03:54:16 No.55131089 Report

Quoted By:

>>55131042
Glad we can agree XY is worse than BW because you can't do the Battle Tower clone until postgame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 04:00:06 No.55131115 Report

Quoted By:

>we don’t reduce arguments! Here’s how we reduce arguments instead! Now cocksuck our ad populum reasoning!!!
You shills incentivize pandering. Seethe more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 05:01:12 No.55131375 Report

Quoted By: >>55131397 >>55131432

>>55128817
>anon I hate to break this to you but animals can show up to more than one part of the world.
no they really don't you can find similar animals but typically if they are in two places it's due to invasive species

>Do you go to a zoo and scream about how it's africa pandering because there are giraffes and lions and elephants there?
those are not indigenous animals they were brought specifically to be there.

why are kanto X/Y shitposters so retarded on purpose?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 05:06:09 No.55131397 Report

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>>55131375
Because people like (You) keep replying to them.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 05:14:11 No.55131424 Report

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>>55129141
>But Charizard haxing both an X and Y mega evolution could have possibly denied us the Mega Flygon Game Freak themselves admitted they were making.
LOL you're braindead.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 05:15:24 No.55131432 Report

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>>55131375
>those are not indigenous animals they were brought specifically to be there
So what's the problem when a PROFESSOR has one, dumbassio?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 06:02:25 No.55131602 Report

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>>55128758
>it wasn't excessive like Unova.
>KANTO starters get mega evolutions and are given for free from the professor early into the story (kalos starters dont mega evolve)
>CHARIZARD is given TWO mega evolutions

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 11:45:52 No.55132247 Report

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>>55130616
Charizard pandering would be equivalent to a Buzzy Beetle being playable in every Mario game because they just have to.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 11:52:41 No.55132253 Report

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>>55128709
>Unova pandering in unova
>KANTOOOOOOOOO pandering in non-kanto region

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Anonymous Tue 26 Dec 2023 12:53:11 No.55132382 Report

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>>55130202
The fun part about this particular post is that you're just admitting Kalos is 90% Kanto pandering.

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