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Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 17:10:48 No.55854858 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>55854860 >>55855199 >>55855368 >>55855441 >>55855681 >>55855934 >>55859528 >>55862891 >>55864268

>ice type is le bad and needs to be buffed!
>ice type should be nerfed by replacing freeze with frostbite because I'm asshurt that I lost to being frozen!

Which is it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 17:11:24 No.55854860 Report

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>>55854858

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 17:12:42 No.55854866 Report

Quoted By: >>55854884

>buff ice type
>nerf water type (the type that actually uses ice moves)
mmmm truuueeee

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 17:15:30 No.55854884 Report

Quoted By: >>55856805

>>55854866
Blizzard is the most dangerous move capable of freezing and virtually no Water-type uses it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 17:32:02 No.55854939 Report

Quoted By: >>55854945

Freeze isn't that scary. Your switch in to an ice type move is most likely a water type that knows scald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 17:33:40 No.55854945 Report

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>>55854939
Scald got its distribution significantly gutted this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 17:33:47 No.55854947 Report

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are there really retards who think special attackers need to be nerfed? when burn exists, intimidate exists, rocky helmet exists, yet physical attackers are STILL the most prominent?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 18:28:38 No.55855199 Report

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>>55854858
Ice should resist flying because that makes thematic sense. Flying type moves aren't even common so this is barely relevant to competitive but it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:14:50 No.55855368 Report

Quoted By: >>55855373

>>55854858
those aren't mutually exclusive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:15:46 No.55855373 Report

Quoted By: >>55855413

>>55855368
Yes they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:22:21 No.55855413 Report

Quoted By: >>55855422

>>55855373
No they're not, a ridiculous amount of non-ice type pokemon can learn ice moves, and the freezing people complain about come from them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:23:16 No.55855418 Report

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>ICE TYPE LE BAD BECAUSE IT JUST LE HECKIN LE IS LE OK LE
yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:23:51 No.55855422 Report

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>>55855413
Icy Wind is the most common Ice move used by non-Ice types. So clearly not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:27:42 No.55855441 Report

Quoted By: >>55855477

>>55854858
Freeze is the worst status in the game.
Both for practical purposes due to how rare it is, and as a mechanic, because when it does happen it’s not fun or engaging.
It should be replaced by Frostbite because at least then can be used on status moves and would be engaging.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:33:32 No.55855472 Report

Quoted By: >>55855482 >>55860573

>Frostbite! But I didn’t want Ice nerfed!
>”Frostbite buffs Ice”
>Explain how
>”Ice types, especially special attackers, benefit from being immune to a more reliable status condition that can be applied with status effects and higher chance secondary effects. Allowing Ice types to switch more freely.”
>”Also freeze sucks in actual practice”

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:34:12 No.55855477 Report

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ice types are still dogshit btw

>>55855441
anon you are trying to be reasonable and have more to say than screeching and bootlicking, that won't work on op

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:35:26 No.55855482 Report

Quoted By: >>55855504

>>55855472
>>”Ice types, especially special attackers, benefit from being immune to a more reliable status condition
They already are immune because the status condition doesn't exist. Meanwhile you removed one of their wincons for literally no benefit. Where's the buff?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:39:38 No.55855504 Report

Quoted By: >>55855512

>>55855482
The buff is you have to actually learn how to play the game, getting into winning scenarios, instead of clicking Ice Beam and hoping the game decides who wins.
That is of course if
>The opponent doesn't have a move that can thaw them out immediately
>Sun is up
>They can hit themselves with a fire move from their partner
>Ally uses Heal Bell or status curing moves
>Has status curing item/ability
and more ways because Freeze sucks ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:41:20 No.55855512 Report

Quoted By: >>55855532

>>55855504
>The buff is you have to actually learn how to play the game, getting into winning scenarios
I already do that with Ice types. Where's the buff?

>That is of course if
Ok and what about the thousands of scenarios where the opponent doesn't have any of those things?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:46:12 No.55855532 Report

Quoted By: >>55855609

>>55855512
>I already do that with Ice types. Where's the buff?
Stop lying
>Ok and what about the thousands of scenarios where the opponent doesn't have any of those things?
Same as all the times where Ice Beam doesn't Freeze.
If you were going for shitty stunlocking mechanics you're 100% better off with Sleep or Paralysis. At least Sleep has a guaranteed turn of sleep, and paralysis can only be cured with universal cures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 19:59:49 No.55855605 Report

Quoted By: >>55855609

Wouldn't it be funny if Freeze got replaced with Frostbite in gen 10?

Haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:00:59 No.55855609 Report

Quoted By: >>55855624 >>55860495

>>55855532
>If you were going for shitty stunlocking mechanics you're 100% better off with Sleep or Paralysis
Which move can I use that sleeps and causes damage at the same time?

>>55855605
Wouldn't it be funny if it didn't, just like gen 9, and campaignshitters who are terrible at the game continue bitching that they lost because they got frozen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:03:54 No.55855624 Report

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>>55855609
Wouldn't it be funny if campaignshitter ended up filtered resulting in you being buckbroken like the knotted-up furry gayboy that you are?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:11:17 No.55855681 Report

Quoted By: >>55855695 >>55855725 >>55855752

>>55854858
they just need to stop giving defensive stat spreads to the shittiest defensive type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:14:21 No.55855695 Report

Quoted By: >>55855752 >>55860720 >>55862846

>>55855681
ah yes, because calyrex is so bad amarite

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:17:53 No.55855725 Report

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>>55855681
having high defensive stats doesn’t mean the pokemon is supposed to be played defensively

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:18:22 No.55855729 Report

Quoted By: >>55855817

how does yawngod shitpost in so many threads

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:22:11 No.55855752 Report

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>>55855681
>inb4 it would shriek if any of the "slow and bulky" ice type pokemon were buffed

>>55855695
How about Pokemon like Aurorus and Frosmoth then? Hard mode: no "extinct for a reason" or "some Pokemon are supposed to be shit".

For example I'd fuck the Rock requirement for fossil Pokemon a new one and make Aurorus Ice/Electric and redistribute some of its stats. Essentially telling Game Freak to blow me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:34:15 No.55855817 Report

Quoted By: >>55855824

>>55855729
He's unemployed, has no social obligations, and is too fat to leave is chair so orders his food.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:34:56 No.55855824 Report

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>>55855817
And malds over Frostbite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:50:50 No.55855934 Report

Quoted By: >>55855944

>>55854858
Make freeze a 30% chance if used by an ice type. And it's gen 1 freeze too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:53:00 No.55855944 Report

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>>55855934
inb4 OP still malds because Ice was "buffed"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 20:58:17 No.55855990 Report

Quoted By: >>55856003 >>55856015

Let's play BINGO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 21:00:15 No.55856003 Report

Quoted By: >>55856010

>>55855990
How is "some Pokemon are supposed to be shit" / "extinct for a reason" not on here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 21:01:35 No.55856010 Report

Quoted By: >>55856056

>>55856003
Those fall under being disingenuous

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 21:02:08 No.55856015 Report

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>>55855990
need something about his juxtaposition wojaks he spams

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Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 21:04:40 No.55856035 Report

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All types are broken because all broken Pokemon can be all types due to Terastal, and even if that weren't the case, they would still be broken because of Arceus, who can any type.
Therefore, nothing is unbalanced. You just have a skill issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 21:09:44 No.55856056 Report

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>>55856010
Didn't notice.

>>55856015
Ah yes, the one where are the "bad" Pokemon of various good types are in it with Ice at the bottom. I'd absolutely guarantee that Yawnfag would throw a shitfit if ANY of the Ice type examples (Aurorus, Frosmoth, Avalugg) were buffed. I'd post it to show what I'm talking about but all the images on the wiki are dead.

(maybe it's a good thing the images are dead)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:32:19 No.55856805 Report

Quoted By: >>55856829 >>55856839 >>55856902

>>55854884
Because Ice Beam has better accuracy, more PP and the same freeze chance at just 20 less BP?

Why is /VP/ dumber than usual lately?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:36:52 No.55856825 Report

Quoted By: >>55856833 >>55856846

>If an Ice move can freeze, replace with frostbite
>If snowing, frostbite inflicted opponents have a chance to freeze when hit with a move that can cause frostbite
That would be amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:37:37 No.55856829 Report

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>>55856805
>Smogontard once again exposing how little he knows about the game
Blizzard is the better move in doubles, I.E. the format VGC actually cares about, due to being able to damage both opponents with one move. And since there's only four Pokemon to worry about rather than six, the lesser PP doesn't matter nearly as much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:38:29 No.55856833 Report

Quoted By: >>55856909

>>55856825
That’s a shitty nerf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:39:23 No.55856839 Report

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>>55856805
same retard spamming in all threads

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:39:47 No.55856846 Report

Quoted By: >>55856888

But the latter IS a buff, you double retard.
>>55856825
Finally, someone else on the same wavelength as me. I'm not even that big about Drowsy either, but Sleep could work the same way (status moves fail when Drowsy).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:46:38 No.55856888 Report

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>>55856846
>But the latter IS a buff,
I don’t think there’s a single time where I used Ice Beam or Blizzard or Ice Punch and would’ve preferred if the opponent got a Sp. Atk nerf and useless chip damage over being unable to move entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:48:15 No.55856902 Report

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>>55856805
it's one guy and not only is he confidently wrong with no real understanding of the game, he also only plays doubles like a fucking loser. if someone tells you ice type is good don't engage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:48:35 No.55856909 Report

Quoted By: >>55856931 >>55860611

>>55856833
It's not really a nerf with how amazing frostbite is
A burn that cuts Special attack? That's good regardless of who or what causes it.
Making freeze exclusive to Snow would not only be thematic, but a great boon for Ice types.
They get bulkier in snow with that 50% boost in defense, cut Special Attack, Frostbite would be similar to the chip damage from Hail, AND a chance to freeze?
At that point it could...

Snowball

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:52:28 No.55856931 Report

Quoted By: >>55856968

>>55856909
>It's not really a nerf with how amazing frostbite is
Frostbite is fucking useless 99% of the time compared to Freeze.

>That's good
Why the fuck would I prefer an Urshifu or an Ogerpon or a Rillaboom getting its Sp Atk decreased and some tiny chip damage over getting its turn entirely skipped while I can kill it or double target into its partner for free?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:56:31 No.55856968 Report

Quoted By: >>55856985 >>55856990 >>55857303

>>55856931
That's a little disingenuous
You wouldn't be trying for frostbite specifically. I'm sure you would be using other moves then Blizzard spam and hoping for a freeze right?
You have strategy and better planning then that right?
The fact that it is possible that you very well could be fishing for freeze specifically and nothing else is proof enough to want the change in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:58:55 No.55856985 Report

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>>55856968
>That's a little disingenuous
a fag that pretends ice type is not dogshit is disingenuous? no... it cant be...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 May 2024 23:59:43 No.55856990 Report

Quoted By: >>55857021

>>55856968
>You wouldn't be trying for frostbite specifically
Yeah, because it’s useless and doesn’t even work as a wincon the vast majority of the time unlike Freeze.

>y-you can fish for a wincon so that means the wincon should be removed!!
Huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 00:04:06 No.55857021 Report

Quoted By: >>55857035

>>55856990
At that point just roll for an oh-ko move. If you are fishing and hoping for a 10% chance might as well roll for 30% right?
Go get sheer cold instead. Better then freeze, more likely to happen, and it kills?
Freeze is a problem and Frostbite was an opening to fix it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 00:06:03 No.55857035 Report

Quoted By: >>55857055

>>55857021
OHKO moves are also wincons, anon. The difference is that freezing moves can still do something even if they don’t land the freeze while the OHKO move is just a wasted turn if it misses.

>Freeze is a problem
You being assblasted about losing to it doesn’t make it a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 00:08:58 No.55857055 Report

Quoted By: >>55857086 >>55857136

>>55857035
I have not lost to freeze in a long time actually. Just mechanically, there is nothing wrong with shifting things around to create better consistency and Freeze is terrible. It would not be as bad if not basically every water type learned Ice Beam. But if that will never change, then we need to change how freeze is inflicted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 00:13:11 No.55857086 Report

Quoted By: >>55857152

>>55857055
Make it similar to how Toxic bypasses accuracy checks when a poison type uses it, then. Up the freeze chance if an ice type uses a move with the chance to proc it, but keep the odds horribly low on other types.
Naturally you only do this when terastal isn't around though, otherwise you risk water getting buffed indirectly because they can just Tera Ice and go freeze crazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 00:20:33 No.55857136 Report

Quoted By: >>55857152 >>55857170

>>55857055
>I have not lost to freeze in a long time actually
Yeah, that tends to happen when you never touch PvP ever.

>Just mechanically, there is nothing wrong with shifting things around to create better consistency
What consistency? All you’re doing is just nerfing both Ice types and special attackers for no reason.

>It would not be as bad if not basically every water type learned Ice Beam
There are barely any relevant Water-types that use Ice Beam. Ogerpon can’t use it, Dondozo can’t use it, Tatsugiri can’t use it, Walking Wake can’t use it, Araquanid can’t use it. The most likely candidate is Kyogre and it’s better off spamming Water Spout or Origin Pulse most of the time than Ice Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 00:23:35 No.55857152 Report

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>>55857086
The issue there is how freeze completely stops the opponent vs just extra damage. If we increase that, then we need to give the opponent more options to handle literally losing turns.
Its a very delicate balance, and why moves like spore are so specific and comes with limitations. Even still, Spore is spammable and downright hated.
Tera does make things even worse I agree. As long as that is in place type specific buffs must be avoided.

>>55857136
Its not always about PvP. The underline balance of everything has to be considered. It's great you find enjoyment in PvP, but as long as things like Freeze exist its just not going to be fun.
We are not just talking about wincons and strategy, but overall game design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 00:28:04 No.55857170 Report

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>>55857136
>Yeah, that tends to happen when you never touch PvP ever.
post your rank yawnfag, if you dont i will assume you watched vgc youtubers once and thats it

i know you wont, but still =)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 00:54:28 No.55857303 Report

Quoted By: >>55859467

>>55856968
>That's a little disingenuous
Do you realize who you're talking with? You're talking to someone who constantly posts disingenuous shit and always throws out hyper specific scenarios to try and pull out a "gotcha" in attempt to invalidate any suggestion for Frostbite, or any other changes to Ice for that matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 12:32:19 No.55859275 Report

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Bunp hehe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 13:27:44 No.55859467 Report

Quoted By: >>55859486 >>55860596

>>55857303
>he says, as he continues to not name a single case where frostbite is preferable over freeze

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Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 13:30:51 No.55859486 Report

Quoted By: >>55859521

>>55859467
You should be using the ice beam anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 13:41:25 No.55859521 Report

Quoted By:

>>55859486
gem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 13:44:24 No.55859528 Report

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>>55854858
you don’t find any enjoyment out of freeze as a mechanic, quit lying

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 13:48:43 No.55859550 Report

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game freak could have invented a mechanic all the way back in gen 1 where your pokemon can randomly have a stroke and instantly faint and bootlickers would still try to defend it

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Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 13:55:18 No.55859575 Report

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>when ice cucks voice their opinion
>again
pic rel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 17:52:52 No.55860495 Report

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>>55855609
Brother please stop larping you play competitive, nobody fucking believes you. Best case scenario you watch furfag youtubers talk about competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:12:40 No.55860573 Report

Quoted By: >>55860598 >>55860654

>>55855472
>Allowing Ice types to switch more freely
Then literally any pokemon uses a Fighting or Rock type move. Ice is shit for switchins because it's defensively garbage, Frostbite won't do shit to help them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:16:53 No.55860596 Report

Quoted By: >>55860651

>>55859467
Here you go
>Sun is up
>Opponent has any move that can thaw them out
>You have fire attacks
>You are fighting a bulkier team (this means anything you freeze has more likely of a chance to thaw naturally, and sometimes benefits them because of PP stalling)
>You have a set up sweeper that would take 199% - 100% from a special attacker
>Your team is weak to special attacks
>All other reasons why you’d want other status moves vs Freeze (it’s because they’re reliable and Frostbite would get the same treatment)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:16:56 No.55860598 Report

Quoted By: >>55860636

>>55860573
this
burn works for fire types because fire is extremely good defensively, literally the highest number of resists in the game outside of steel type. They can afford to wait around for chip damage and slowly cripple the opponent. Freeze works way better for ice types because it cements the type’s identity as an offensive power house by instantly shutting down the opponent and having it more likely to happen if you sit there passively and let the opponent spam ice beam or blizzard at you like a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:17:31 No.55860600 Report

Quoted By: >>55860613

GAMEFREAK IS OERFECT HOW FUCKING DARE YOU SAY THEY DIDNT MAKE A PERFCECT GAME THIS IS NOT OKAY IM LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:21:02 No.55860611 Report

Quoted By: >>55860660 >>55862827

>>55856909
>A burn that cuts Special attack? That's good regardless of who or what causes it.
That's not very relevant to Ice types because Ice types suffer the most from largely physical moves (most of Rock and Fighting type.) Sure it might hurt something that wants to use a Fire type move against the Ice type, but that's not some big huge advantage like you're claiming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:21:23 No.55860613 Report

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>>55860600
nah game freak isn’t perfect because they made bug type too shitty

ice type is fine though, keep coping :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:24:05 No.55860625 Report

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ICANT BREATH MY MOM IS CRYING BECAUSE I PUNCHED MY WALL SO HARD STOP SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT GAMEFREAK POKEMON IS PERFECTLY BALANCED IN EBERY WAY ITS THE GREATEST COMPWTIVVIE GAME EVER MADE

STOP IT STOP UT DELERE THIS THEEAD

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:26:11 No.55860636 Report

Quoted By: >>55860660

>>55860598
I'd argue Burn works better for Fire types mainly because most of their weaknesses are primarily physical (Rock and Ground.) Cutting attack makes Rock Slide, Stone Edge, and Earthquake (all really popular coverage moves on just about anything) less threatening. Water types are mostly special and are still a threat, but you don't see many non-water types using water type moves for coverage, and it's not as big of an issue. Ice wants to nerf PHYSICAL just like Fire does, not SPECIAL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:27:58 No.55860651 Report

Quoted By: >>55860782

>>55860596
>Charizard used Rock Slide!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:28:29 No.55860654 Report

Quoted By: >>55860660 >>55860670

>>55860573
Frostbite Wow means Ice types can switch into it for free and several special attackers will barely do over half to ices
-2 252 SpA Life Orb Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mamoswine: 156-185 (43.2 - 51.2%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:29:07 No.55860660 Report

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>>55860654
>>55860636
>>55860611

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:30:58 No.55860670 Report

Quoted By: >>55860940

>>55860654
Please tell the class how I frostbite the Flutter Mane before sending in my Ice type, campaignshitter-kun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:42:13 No.55860720 Report

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>>55855695
>165 atk 50 speed on a mon with tr
Calyrex has an offense stat spread.

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Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 18:55:35 No.55860782 Report

Quoted By: >>55860876

>>55860651
>calls people a campaignshitter
>pulls out a scenario where a special attacker uses a physical move to try and invalidate frostbite yet again
>said pokemon has 84 attack, and it's not even STAB
>snow increases the defense of ice type pokemon by 50% which means most ice type pokemon will be tanking the rock slide (especially those that already have high HP and/or defense to begin with, not to mention ice type pokemon that are not even weak to rock)

Retard-kun...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 19:13:23 No.55860876 Report

Quoted By: >>55861574 >>55862850

>>55860782
Why should all Ice types be enslaved to weather teams to be functional?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 19:26:36 No.55860940 Report

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>>55860670
Same way you’d burn a Urshifu, paralyze a Dragapult, or status literally anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 May 2024 21:46:48 No.55861574 Report

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>>55860876
Because the idea of Ice getting a single new resistance even if it's to something like Poison would piss of a certain person who scours the board looking for any hint of Frostbite.

>Verification not required.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 01:58:00 No.55862827 Report

Quoted By: >>55862850

>>55860611
That's what snow is for with the 50% boost in defense and other options like damage reduction berries and the various screens.
Makes me think of that short time that Showdown thought veil and reflect stacked. When they very well didn't on cart. Created a very niche but funny situation for the ice type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 02:01:19 No.55862846 Report

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>>55855695
>165 attack
>defensive
you're not very smart, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 02:02:39 No.55862850 Report

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>>55862827
>>55860876

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 02:18:49 No.55862891 Report

Quoted By: >>55862906

>>55854858
Ice is defensively underpowered. Freeze benefits bulky water types just as much as ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 02:25:15 No.55862906 Report

Quoted By: >>55862921

>>55862891
woah I can freeze with dondozo??

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 02:29:48 No.55862921 Report

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>>55862906
if you want to fish for it? while being annoying with flinches?
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 04:14:59 No.55863291 Report

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just use ice beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 11:05:53 No.55864268 Report

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>>55854858
ice types get btfo really easy, id say giving them freeze is fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 16:39:04 No.55865234 Report

Quoted By: >>55865238

yawnbump

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 16:40:05 No.55865238 Report

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>>55865234
Fuck you.

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