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Reminder: If you use Megas, you condone Poké-abuse

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 14:58:18 No.58033522 View View Reply Original Report

Friends don't let friends abuse their Pokémon. Say NO to Mega Stones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:00:03 No.58033526 Report

Quoted By: >>58036743

>>58033522
Why they designed mega glalie to look like a shartyjack?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:07:46 No.58033559 Report

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Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:41:31 No.58033714 Report

Quoted By: >>58033810 >>58039960

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:45:17 No.58033734 Report

Quoted By: >>58033753 >>58034168

>the anime currently has people using mega evolution to combat shit that does the same thing mega evolution does to pokemon
why does mega evolution get a pass in pokemon abuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:49:46 No.58033753 Report

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>>58033734
Isn't it also a Life Orb with extra steps? Should Life Orb be banned from competitive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:54:45 No.58033770 Report

Quoted By: >>58033776 >>58033795

>>58033522
This doesn't apply to all.
Mega Dragonite just becomes gentler according to the new descriptions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:55:22 No.58033771 Report

Quoted By: >>58033775

Alola propaganda

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:56:17 No.58033775 Report

Quoted By: >>58033824

>>58033771
Then why it was in the XY teraleak files?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 15:56:26 No.58033776 Report

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>>58033770
>falling for kalosian propaganda trying to lie about the science

That Mega researcher ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

That Mega researcher ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:01:56 No.58033794 Report

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Mega evolution is on the menu boys.
My pokemon need that EXTRA POWER!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:02:05 No.58033795 Report

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>>58033770
>Dragonite gets the equivalent of a lobotomy
Sure, that makes me feel better about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:08:43 No.58033810 Report

Quoted By: >>58033828 >>58034137 >>58034155 >>58040636

>>58033522
>>58033559
>>58033714
Why are all of these from Gen 7? Is this subtly trying to make people like Z-moves more by painting Megas as abuse?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:09:35 No.58033814 Report

Quoted By: >>58033846 >>58034122 >>58034346 >>58036191 >>58042282

>>58033522
>After Mega Evolution, it becomes able to fly. Perhaps because it's so happy, it rarely touches the ground.
don't mega evolve your pinsir bros it's totally abuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:13:16 No.58033824 Report

Quoted By: >>58034132

>>58033775
I don't know what you're talking about
>inb4 you post the source
Not canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:15:35 No.58033827 Report

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Pokemon aren't human they have no rights. It feels good to make them hurt. I like it. Don't fight back.... hnnnngggg....

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:16:08 No.58033828 Report

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>>58033810
Gen 7 just had a ton of creepier pokedex entries. Gengar's says to give up if one is trying to get you, and Primeape's says that it gets so angry it dies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:20:05 No.58033846 Report

Quoted By: >>58037229

>>58033814
>return in ZA
>still no stab
The lack of ability make bringing back mega evolutions feel so pointless

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:21:24 No.58033852 Report

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>>58033522
You know what hurts more than a broken jaw? Being a mono-ice type with base 80 in every stat. Pass me the mega stone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 16:58:04 No.58034060 Report

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>>58033522
The only thing that this convinced me is that the guy who makes all the dex entries is just a retard full of shit. Oak is a fraud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:16:20 No.58034122 Report

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>>58033814
Look at how happy he is

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:19:22 No.58034132 Report

Quoted By: >>58034621

>>58033824
>NOOOOOOO DON'T YOU DARE TO POST THE PROOF AND PROVE ME WRONG
The game already made it canon btw
you lost

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:20:57 No.58034137 Report

Quoted By: >>58034143 >>58034165 >>58034199 >>58037082 >>58039810

>>58033810
No, this was originally how megas were supposed to be depicted. Megas were originally supposed to involve high affection/ friendship in order to use them. It was a last minute story/ game mechanic change they made when they realized kids want an easy super form button instead of a mechanic they had to work for. That’s why there’s a bunch of leftover material about megas going berserk in the gen 6 side material and why there’s leftover dialogue in game that no longer makes sense about how Sycamore couldn’t use megas even though they trained for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:22:34 No.58034143 Report

Quoted By: >>58034157 >>58034221

>>58034137
Why mega evolutions has a such poorly written lore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:25:09 No.58034155 Report

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>>58033810
On top of everything else, XY and ORAS didn't even have separate Pokedex entries for Mega forms

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:25:16 No.58034157 Report

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>>58034143
Because they were created solely make CHARIZARD overpowered and look cool. Everything else about them was an afterthought

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:27:06 No.58034165 Report

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>>58034137
I'm confident that the mega evolution timer for ZA will be based on how high the Pokemon's affection is for their trainer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:28:08 No.58034168 Report

Quoted By: >>58034560 >>58036422 >>58039814

>>58033734
Megas were initially presented as being a symbol of the bond between a trainer and their Pokemon. Gen 7 decided to retcon that with a bunch of edgy entries because they were sundowning the feature

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:35:39 No.58034199 Report

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>>58034137
Yeah, this should’ve been obvious even without the leaks given how the anime handled it and how often the games hammered muh friendship with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:37:20 No.58034208 Report

Quoted By: >>58034215

>>58033522
The Mega Pokédex Entries are yet just another reason why Pokédex Entries shouldn’t be treated as canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:39:05 No.58034215 Report

Quoted By: >>58034240

>>58034208
You're not the one who gets to decide what is canon and what is not
cope and seethe

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:39:41 No.58034221 Report

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>>58034143
it was their first time introducing an in-battle gimmick and it seems like they weren't terribly about how the fanbase would take to them. The lore for the following gimmicks were a lot more consistent by comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:45:06 No.58034240 Report

Quoted By: >>58034244

>>58034215
But I do decide what is good enough for me to take seriously or not. And I don't Pokédex Entries seriously at all because they're so ridiculous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:46:49 No.58034244 Report

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>>58034240
>But I do decide what is good enough for me to take seriously or not.
The game canon doesn't care about your feelings on why the nonsensical fantasy setting is nonsensical

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:50:46 No.58034263 Report

Quoted By: >>58034270

yes macargo is hotter than the sun

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 17:51:56 No.58034270 Report

Quoted By: >>58037231

>>58034263
Believable in a world where all nurse joys look the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 18:09:14 No.58034346 Report

Quoted By: >>58036191

>>58033814
>Perhaps because it's so happy
>perhaps
Sounds like wishful thinking to me anon
>expression is a perfect portrait of murderous rage

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 19:05:27 No.58034560 Report

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>>58034168
>Gen 7 decided to retcon that with a bunch of edgy entries because they were sundowning the feature
Explain shit like korrina's lucario in the anime then anon, that was XY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 19:18:19 No.58034621 Report

Quoted By: >>58034640

>>58034132
Ehy this may be a weird question but is there a place where all these are archived?
TCRF doesn't have them, I was here during the teraleak era but I didn't save anything hoping that someone would archive this stuff, but it's still undocumented as far as I know

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 19:21:46 No.58034640 Report

Quoted By: >>58034654

>>58034621
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/56806543/#56806731

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 19:24:23 No.58034654 Report

Quoted By: >>58035552

>>58034640
Yeah thank you very much for the archive, but these are over 100 threads in here, I was hoping there was a site that put all the informations there without having to scroll a shit ton of threads to find anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 23:14:11 No.58035552 Report

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>>58034654
that would be very convenient

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jul 2025 23:20:26 No.58035565 Report

Quoted By: >>58036191

>>58033522
Show mega pinsir

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 02:14:39 No.58036191 Report

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>>58035565
>>58033814
>>58034346
try to keep up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 02:27:20 No.58036221 Report

Quoted By: >>58036459 >>58037101 >>58039734

>>58033522
>you condone Poké-abuse
I do condone it and I don't even use megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 02:33:20 No.58036237 Report

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>>58033522
>gen 7 dex entry
gen 7 dex entries are just propaganda against Megas, so you wont be upset that gen 8 removed Megas.
Do not fall for the propaganda, paid by Galar sissies, Megas are earned via trust and companionship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 03:25:14 No.58036422 Report

Quoted By: >>58036424

>>58034168
which was fucking gay because Z moves were gay as fuck a really shit replacement

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 03:26:35 No.58036424 Report

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>>58036422
Gen 7 still had megas, they just didn't add any new ones

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 03:37:45 No.58036459 Report

Quoted By: >>58037101 >>58039734

>>58036221
This
In the old days some anons even posted some very based abusepastas

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 05:21:35 No.58036743 Report

Quoted By: >>58037090

>>58033526
>Mindbroken

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 08:09:02 No.58037082 Report

Quoted By: >>58037168

>>58034137
I mean, it should have been obvious from the way they were depicted in the anime - the Pokemon in question generally looked to be in extreme pain and had a tendency to go berserk, like Lucario. The whole reason they originally planned for you to need to have high affection to use it was because your Pokemon needed to have the utmost faith and loyalty to you to willingly put themselves through the pain needed for the transformation; the physical strain on their bodies is also why the transformation is temporary, as staying transformed for too long would presumably kill them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 08:13:12 No.58037090 Report

Quoted By: >>58037138

>>58036743
i'm not wrong though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 08:17:08 No.58037101 Report

Quoted By:

>>58036459
>>58036221
subhumans

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 08:33:42 No.58037138 Report

Quoted By:

>>58037090
NTA, but you are - Mega Glalie predates that by years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 08:44:57 No.58037168 Report

Quoted By: >>58037205

>>58037082
nah its a gay retcon which will be retconned away on ZA

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 08:58:57 No.58037198 Report

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>>58033522
They already established that Pokémon willingly power through the pain to surpass their limits to become more powerful for their trainer. That's why you need a bond with your Pokémon to Mega evolve them in canon, and why wild Pokemon Mega evolving in ZA is a bad thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:02:42 No.58037205 Report

Quoted By: >>58037212 >>58037592

>>58037168
>it's totally a retcon goys ignore the fact that the XY teraleak were already going to write the pain part and korrina's lucario going berserk before alola bro
Lmao megafags are the most delusional retards on the boad

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:05:19 No.58037210 Report

Quoted By: >>58037214

>Just gets really really into fighting and violence
>No mention of pain or suffering in anyway
Perfectly safe and non abusive to mega evolve your Lop. At worst they'll just beat you up which Oshawott seems to imply is a good thing anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:05:32 No.58037212 Report

Quoted By:

>>58037205
Just yawnfag being yawnfag as usual

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:06:33 No.58037214 Report

Quoted By:

>>58037210
>>Just gets really really into fighting and violence
Yeah totally safe and not dangerous at all bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:07:35 No.58037216 Report

Quoted By: >>58037225

>>58033522
>Retconned descriptions from another game by another director

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:11:41 No.58037225 Report

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>>58037216
>Retconned
it was in the gen 6 teraleak files btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:14:26 No.58037228 Report

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Whatever i like is canon and all the shit i find retarded, i dump in the trash.
Simple as.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:14:47 No.58037229 Report

Quoted By:

>>58033846
>still no stab
nigga what, it has bug and flying (normal) stab
what more do you need than flying-type return, quick attack, close combat and eq?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 09:15:16 No.58037231 Report

Quoted By:

>>58034270
Racist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 10:17:55 No.58037314 Report

Quoted By: >>58037479 >>58037589

>>58033522
Didn't they retcon this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 11:48:14 No.58037479 Report

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>>58037314
Megas haven't shown up in another game since Gen 7. How would you know if they've been retconned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 12:11:51 No.58037538 Report

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>>58033522
It was a poor effort to make people dislike mega in order not to bring them in gen8

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 12:30:42 No.58037589 Report

Quoted By:

>>58037314
they will be

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 12:32:39 No.58037592 Report

Quoted By: >>58037819

>>58037205
nah gen 7 fags are

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 14:00:21 No.58037798 Report

Quoted By: >>58039700

>>58033522
But I mega evolved my Ampharos and it was pretty happy to have a lot of wool back? What propaganda are you trying to push?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 14:08:11 No.58037819 Report

Quoted By:

>>58037592
>No u
Pathetic ass response as expected from a megakek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 16:52:39 No.58038322 Report

Quoted By: >>58039895

>>58033522
I love abuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Jul 2025 23:47:58 No.58039700 Report

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>>58037798
nostalgia is a poison. Ampharos would be better off without it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 00:05:00 No.58039734 Report

Quoted By: >>58040077

>>58036459
>>58036221
Brown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 00:34:05 No.58039810 Report

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>>58034137
>Megas were originally supposed to involve high affection/ friendship in order to use them
Yeah it's basically saying "alright trainer this is gonna hurt me a lot but if you say I'll be stronger then I'mma do it"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 00:35:06 No.58039814 Report

Quoted By:

>>58034168
It's still a bond dude even with the edge

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 01:03:39 No.58039895 Report

Quoted By:

>>58038322
inb4 LE BROWN

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 01:31:46 No.58039960 Report

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>>58033522
>>58033559
>>58033714
>From the last gen with megas
>Implying they weren't trying to make kids hate megas so they'd be okay with losing them

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 02:20:42 No.58040065 Report

Quoted By: >>58040642

>they were trying to scare away the hecking kidderinos with le edgy pokedex entries
First off how many kids even care about the Pokedex entries that much? Secondly, boys love berserk states and things that are Dark and Edgy™ in general and I don't recall there being an uproar about the Dex entries being slander against Megas during Gen 7 with it only happening post hoc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 02:25:44 No.58040077 Report

Quoted By:

>>58039734
yep

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 02:42:43 No.58040128 Report

Quoted By: >>58040206 >>58042694

>>58033522
Mega are barely the tip of of the iceberg of what trainer are willing to do to push the limit of their pokemon to achieve victory.
If few dex entries seems unethical to you then would like to know what you think about the use of combat drugs, selective breeding etc....
Hell even the whole concept about capturing and fighting is questionnable if you want to go down that road.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 03:02:58 No.58040185 Report

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Does Mega Evolution hurt Latias?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 03:13:24 No.58040206 Report

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>>58040128
Your uniform, sir.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 06:31:04 No.58040636 Report

Quoted By: >>58042430

>>58033810
>Is this subtly trying to make people like Z-moves more by painting Megas as abuse?
I doubt it, who would even be discouraged by those dex entries? Little Timmy doesn't read, teens are edgelords who love this kind of shit, and adults only care about how useful a mechanic is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 06:36:34 No.58040642 Report

Quoted By: >>58042482

>>58040065
I imagine megas were originally designed with Dark and Edgy™ in mind, and the main pokemon team was talked out of it last minute. Either for marketability, letting kids use them, or feeling that it’d alienate an potential audience. The concept made it into the anime and Super Mystery Dungeon, so the original concept material had to have been given approval and shipped out to the anime staff and Spike Chunsoft at one point to be worked on to the point of being unable to remove it before X and Y ultimately decided to whitewash the concept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 06:43:36 No.58040662 Report

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Mega evolution if they were competently written:
>Zygarde is the original mega evolution master but instead of having one power up form he has multiples
>Zygarde radiation energy created mega stones that give the same transformation ability to normal pokemon but instead of multiple forms it's just one or two (To explain both charizards)
>Pokemon can mega evolve on their own as raid boss battles but only a trainer can control those
>The edgy dex entries are just side effects of literally forcing your pokemon to beyond his own fucking biology since it's a egendary pokemon power
>Instead of a singular mega stone per species now there's a "Megatite stone" to solve the retarded item bloat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 09:17:14 No.58040971 Report

Quoted By:

>>58033522
mega evolutions were a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 17:15:01 No.58042282 Report

Quoted By:

>>58033814
Reminds me of those happy hummingbirds constantly searching for food.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 18:19:14 No.58042430 Report

Quoted By:

>>58040636
K Sanjay

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 18:37:30 No.58042482 Report

Quoted By:

>>58040642
The megas were designed to have their edginess solved by friendship power. The mechanic was removed because it was considered too tedious for kids to deal with. It was demonstrated in the anime as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 18:48:22 No.58042512 Report

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Mega evolution is hella gay and I hope it never comes back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 18:50:26 No.58042519 Report

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>>58033522
I mean, I tend to have Mega Glalie lead with a Refrigerate Explosion, so I figure an unhinged jaw is the least of its concern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 19:41:40 No.58042694 Report

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>>58040128
Pokemon themselves like to push themselves

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