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People like Gura or Mori, who were perfectly able to stand on their own, went out of their way to join Hololive anyway, and the latter sucks at games. I mean it's obvious Mana and her manager want her to sign for a musical career proper, but love it or hate it, Hololive is the next best thing at the moment, so I'm very skeptical of Mana remaining an indie vtuber for too long.