>>17364986ID1 social circles and culture are closer to the ID community and definitely look and feel pre-HoloEN, and thus to the EN-watcher they appeal very distant and non-complaint to the perceptions of the then non-existent En scene. Reine and Ollie debuted closely with HoloMyth and thus have the same group of people and style of streaming as HoloEN that's why they often get called "honorary EN". As for Anya, well she is Japanese.