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Alrighty, so here are my thoughts on why I feel /meat/ shouldn't be represented as a NATION anymore.
Alright, so first some meta things to sort out.
I have always felt, and I hope that we can all agree on this one, that for a general to be represented on Vitubia, the base requirement is for the general on the board to be stable to a certain extent. That is not talking about FANBASES being represented in Vitubia, just the generals. We'll get to the fanbase part a bit later.ž
And looking at /meat/, while they do regularly try to start the general up according to warosu, none in the past few months have reached anywhere near bump limit, or even 100 replies for that matter, before either being bumped off or straight up deleted. And they also commonly use the tactic of stealth threads, which, according to past reports here, also get discovered and deleted a lot of the times, or are so stealthy that nobody really comes around, and it's just a bump fiesta (not saying that is wrong, a lot of the slower generals are often the same)
Personally, looking at that does not make me feel as if /meat/ is a stable general, and would, at least in my eyes, fail that baseline requirement to be represented as a nation. And I also hold the same opinion about /ringo/ and /ag/ for that matter, just as a side point.
I think that was about it for the nation aspect, on to the more interesting topic, the fanbase.
I feel that some people here equate the nation with the culture that it represents, when that is most definitely is not the case. The culture of /meat/ in this case, is ingrained into the board, and as a result, Vitubia, whether /meat/ as a general and a nation is here or not. Hell, we get borderline /meat/ posts in /rrat/ occasionally. /rrat/! The most comfy thread filled with nothing but oji-sans that want to take care of/breed their rat daughter has posts that I would label as /meat/!
And I should explain at this point that I am not arguing against /meat/ being part of this project in any way, what I am arguing against is them being represented as a nation on the same level as the rest, when their meta situation would prevent that, despite their best efforts.
As I have said, the culture of meatbros, their people down there on Vitubia, exists whether the nation of /meat/ does or not, because the two are not reliant on one another. I will give a personal IRL example here, Slovenes. We got our independance, the first one in our history, in 1991. However, that does not mean that our culture didn't exist before, as we trace our roots all the way back to Carantania, which came to be in the 6th century. And while I do realize this is the exact opposite of what /meat/ on Vitubia would be experiencing right now, I hope the message gets across. Even if Slovenia was dissolved as a country tommorow, the culture we have built up would still remain, perhaps for centuries to come, as is seen with some Slovenes that still uphold slovenian traditions generations after moving to the US.
So basically, what I am trying to say, while you, at least in my eyes, don't meet the requirement to be considered a nation from a meta standpoint, that does not mean that your culture, your people, your history don't exist in Vitubia. They simply have no territories they can claim as their own. So if one were to pull up a map of countries, /meat/ would not be listed there. But if one were to pull up a map of ethnic groups, /meat/ would be right there alongside others, maybe even over a wast area or on multiple different spots.
Alright, I think that's about enough for a single post, if you wanna discuss this further pg, or anyone for that matter, don't hesistate