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> Haachama has been vtubing for longer than most in the industry. She joined hololive when it was worth fucking nothing, and worked hard with everyone else to make it something. Marine too, she's part of Gen 3 which is THE generation that pivoted hololive to the path of sucess. That's what you ENfags will never understand. These girls aren't just your average trend-hoppers, they've earned it. Respect the chama, bitch