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>>35334407
6 months with just 1 hour everyday? Nah.
Put it 1.5 years and maybe we're talking.
With 180 hours you're just scratching the surface of the language.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:40:59 No.35334678 Report

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>>35334493
If it takes you 18 months to be able to follow along with vtuber streams which consist almost entirely of
"You!!!" "No way!" "Really??" "Amazing!" "This guy!" "Oh no!" "I'm scared!" "Yay!" then you might be be retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:41:11 No.35334683 Report

Quoted By: >>35334778

>>35333896
I’m not gonna learn an entirely new language just to watch Vtubers… I actually have a life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:42:30 No.35334754 Report

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>>35333896
I'd rather quit this shitty hobby

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:43:04 No.35334778 Report

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>>35334683
Say that without actually crying inside, faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:43:24 No.35334791 Report

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>>35333896
I don't have time to watch full streams regardless. I'll stick to clips.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:43:59 No.35334813 Report

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>>35333896
Pekora stop mogging the entire EN branch please

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:46:58 No.35334941 Report

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>>35334493
1.5 years if you have brain rot
2-3 months will be enough to understand most in a chuuba's stream

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:47:16 No.35334955 Report

Quoted By: >>35348077 >>35357237 >>35357715

>1 hour per day
What exactly am I supposed to do for that long?
Anki doesn't take nearly that much time unless I do like 50 words a day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:47:45 No.35334976 Report

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The amount of fags that would have done their reps by now if holoEN never happened...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:48:15 No.35335003 Report

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>>35334493
You're really overestimating these girls vocab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:50:00 No.35335081 Report

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>>35334493
bro these girls have a vocab of 100 words in streams lol you arent having intellectual deep conversation no way u need 2 years unless your a fucking drooling ape.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:50:23 No.35335102 Report

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vtuber anki deck when

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:52:23 No.35335186 Report

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>>35334778
Lmao what? You niggas say that in response to anything you disagree with huh… like bruh that makes no sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:54:06 No.35335256 Report

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>wouldn't it be cool if we had a unique letter for each word
Demented language.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:56:14 No.35335360 Report

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>>35333896
Im a brainlet and wagie with unstable schedule. It took me 4 months to memorise hiragana with katakana. I gave up. Too dumb for this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:56:40 No.35335387 Report

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I failed Spanish 2 in high school, there's no way in hell I could learn a language that doesn't even use the alphabet

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 16:57:16 No.35335422 Report

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>he doesn't know all 5,000 basic pre-school level kanjis and their 2,000 additional meanings/pronunciations
lmaoooooo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:00:01 No.35335548 Report

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I hate katakana

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:00:35 No.35335578 Report

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>>35334813
I'm doing my best senpai

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:01:00 No.35335609 Report

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>>35335548
bruh what? hiragana and katakana is the fucking shit pissy baby easy part

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:01:08 No.35335621 Report

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I'm too lazy, I'd rather just watch indies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:01:18 No.35335632 Report

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>>35335256
This. Imagine having a writing system so retarded you have to memorize 2,500 symbols just to read the newspaper. Hard pass.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:02:07 No.35335679 Report

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>>35335081
Monkeys are actually pretty smart

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:02:25 No.35335704 Report

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>>35335609
You don't know Japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:02:31 No.35335709 Report

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Just watch clips lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:04:51 No.35335864 Report

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>>35335609
No, I get him. Hiragana is fine, but katakana is weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:11:03 No.35336298 Report

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>>35333896
Is there a reason for this post? Did something happen in hololive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:13:32 No.35336478 Report

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>>35335864
No it's not

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:15:00 No.35336580 Report

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>>35333896
You should've stayed in /jp/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:16:18 No.35336684 Report

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>>35336298
Nijisanji invasion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:17:49 No.35336803 Report

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>>35336684
Anon, JPs have collabed with Nijis for ages...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:25:41 No.35337351 Report

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>>35334941
That only works if you're watching slow speakers like Watame or Okayu. Good listening to machine gun speakers like Marine and Koyori. Not even starting with collabs and slang.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:26:33 No.35337410 Report

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>>35336803
Only the traitors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:31:32 No.35337760 Report

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>>35334493
For a zatsu it'll take a long while. I assume he's talking about gameplay streams though, which consist of like 10 words being repeated over and over. You can probably understand 70% of it without even studying japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:53:07 No.35339308 Report

Quoted By: >>35342817 >>35348045 >>35348777

3 years of Duolingo, ~10-15 minutes a day. Finished all the lessons a couple weeks ago.

I can pick up about 80% from gaming streams with Lui and Okayu. Good enunciation, not too much slang. Maybe 50% of Pekora. Maybe around 20% of Marine.

Duolingo is probably significantly worse than actual language learning, but it's better than nothing, the barrier is very low, and it's very easy to build a habit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:29:31 No.35341679 Report

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>>35337410
Don't call my Suisei traitor you Seanig

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:47:01 No.35342634 Report

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>>35334754
great step to improve yourself anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:49:02 No.35342731 Report

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>>35336803
not with the fuckers who exposed for talking shit behind peoples back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:50:50 No.35342817 Report

Quoted By: >>35342898

>>35339308
Duolingo works best as a "don't forget it" stimulus, sort of an upkeep to keep what you already know.

Also builds in good automatisms for grammar, but problem being it isn't very focused on the why it is that way, focuses more on drilling you.

Duoling is good as a complementary tool.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:50:52 No.35342822 Report

Quoted By: >>35342951

Just learn the grammar and watch a decade worth of anime and JAP tv.
I understand about 85-90 percent of my oshi's streams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:52:25 No.35342898 Report

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>>35342817
also good to re-remember what you had forgotten.

Point being, it's recommended due to being practical (you can train a bit on cellphone while waiting for wtv) but don't put it on the center of the learning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:53:26 No.35342951 Report

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>>35342822
>>35342822
lol miko does the equivalent of english mumbling, the fact shes even reached adulthood in jp society with all fucking dogshit her grammar and pronunciation is blows my mind honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:28:59 No.35347828 Report

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>>35333896
Can't wait to spend 3 years learning a new language only to discover I don't find the JP branch entertaining at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:33:07 No.35348045 Report

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>>35339308
>Duolingo
There was your first mistake, buddy. Duolingo sucks except for Spanish. Always remember
"Spanish or vanish."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:33:44 No.35348077 Report

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>>35334955
Watch things in Japanese and use a dictionary to look up words as you go along.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:36:38 No.35348206 Report

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>>35333896
Why? Even in JP there is no escape since haachama opened the door to vshojo and holojp collabs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:41:03 No.35348420 Report

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>>35334678
This. Dunno why ENfags make such a big deal of it. If it's a game stream and not a zatsudan it's almost exclusively Yabai! Kawaii! Kakkoii Omae! Teme! Aitsu! Korosu! Kowai!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:44:14 No.35348565 Report

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>>35334207
6 months and you should be good for most game streams but stuff with a lot of story will take longer if you're not familiar with the game already. Zatsus are something that you'll just gradually understand more and more over time and are entirely dependant on what they're talking about and how familiar you are with the topic and the related vocab

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:48:55 No.35348777 Report

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>>35339308
Duolingo is fucking shit
I think I can understand around 50-60% of a high speed Marine zatsudan in only 9 months (my biggest progress was 4 months ago)
I watched cure dolly's video for thing poorly explain like に particule or って and then started reading mangas but my objective was to learn how to read quickly so it makes me able to think less in my native language
Also the biggest error is to skip kanji because it makes learning vocab easier and even makes you able to guess vocab I know like 1200 kanji now
I think I already had some knowledge about Jap because of anime but not to much

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:49:48 No.35348810 Report

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>>35333896
I'm doing my reps and Japanese is kind of a shit language

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 20:56:08 No.35349076 Report

Quoted By: >>35349437 >>35349617

>>35348810
Everytime I feel motivated to do my reps and start learning, I'm immediately discouraged by how shitty of a language Japanese actually is.

> identical words than mean different things, and I don't mean words where the accent falls on a different syllable like "CON-tent vs conTENT". things like hana (flower) vs hana (nose), kami (god) vs kami (hair), te (hand) vs te (particle), et cetera
> retarded writing system where you have to learn about 2500 symbols just to read the newspaper
> no grammatical gender, no number, only past and non-past

Shit language.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 21:04:36 No.35349437 Report

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>>35349076
not only that its literally useless to learn pass an intermediate point if you dont have nips to speak with, its just stupid, do a couple years of vocab and grammar and youll pick up most of the gaming stream convo unless your oshi is marine or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 21:06:22 No.35349517 Report

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>>35349437
My oshis are Marine and Miko

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 21:08:17 No.35349617 Report

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>>35349076
Japanese does have pitch accent that differentiates most homonyms, or at least I'm told it does. I've yet to ever hear it unless someone is emphasising it for demonstration purposes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 21:22:08 No.35350270 Report

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>>35349517
goodluck my brother you will need it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:16:27 No.35352879 Report

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>Did my reps
>JPs are barely any different than english speak chuubas
>Neither are the chats, especially the ones with over 20k people
Only difference between JP and EN is that they stream more, stop pretending they are anything special.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:16:48 No.35352894 Report

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>>35333896
I'm Indonesian

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:17:17 No.35352917 Report

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>>35335704
yeah thats the funny part i literally dont know japanese but i had all of the hiragana and katakana memorized at some point. its just two alphabets not a big deal. grammar and kanji is where you get raped in the anustubes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:18:17 No.35352961 Report

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>>35334207
no more than 20h unless you are from usa

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:18:20 No.35352966 Report

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>>35334207
They use very casual and basic Japanese
in six months of good work you should be able to understand a good part of what they're saying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:24:36 No.35353271 Report

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>>35334678
>>35348420
>>35334941
Right, and the moment she says with any substance that isn't a 2 words phrase you're completely lost.
Thinking this is a 2-3 months affair is delusional. It doesn't even get you out of kindergarten japanese with 1 hour per day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:34:56 No.35353821 Report

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>>35353271
>>35353271
lol you think these girls say anything of substance thats really cute. its def not a 2-3 month affair but a couple years of dedicated work and you can get most of what the slower speakers are saying...These arent fucking intellectuals...they are neet nips in their 20s and 30s

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:36:28 No.35353895 Report

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>>35353271
you have two options
1. read the question that was asked then apologize
2. i fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:40:40 No.35354091 Report

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>>35353271
You can still get like 50% of the stream enjoyment just by understanding like 100 basic phrases as long as you're sticking to game streams and watching like Fubuki or Koyori or something instead of Subaru (who is gonna spit out 3 sentences about every line she reads or action) or Kanata (who is going to talk about completely random things instead of the game without stopping for even half a second).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:43:38 No.35354232 Report

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>>35349617
it really doesnt but people claim it does to shill learning methods or feel special
those people say "if you pronounce everything like you have severe autism people won't understand you!" but that's true in every language and doesn't equate to pitch accent

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:44:27 No.35354264 Report

Quoted By: >>35354440

>>35333896
I've done my hand reps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:47:51 No.35354440 Report

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>>35354264
Lunita...

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Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 23:20:08 No.35355939 Report

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>>35334207
How long did it take you to understand your native language? Anyway, understanding is a gradual process, but man, sometimes it's tough to stick with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 23:45:41 No.35357078 Report

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>>35353271
Amerifats pretending it's impossible to learn languages is always so goddamn hilarious. You should hear yourselves sometime. Special needs level incompetent and pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Oct 2022 23:49:59 No.35357237 Report

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>>35334955
actually pick up a textbook and study dude anki is a fucking scam

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 00:00:41 No.35357715 Report

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>>35334955
Literally watch a jp stream. Pay attention and try picking out the words you know and how they're being used. Look up a few new words. I felt like a god the first time I was able to pick out the wa's and ga's in some ol's spa review stream. Also Cure Dolly was the fucking goat. I'm not saying she should be your only source of information but you should definitely give her a watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 00:19:43 No.35358817 Report

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>>35333896
hearing her struggle to read vortigern for like a solid 30 seconds was a bit cathartic honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 00:22:17 No.35358946 Report

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I've given up learning Japanese at least 6 times by now. I wish I could get over the boring part of learning and just start enjoying Japanese Media.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 00:39:26 No.35359903 Report

Quoted By: >>35359964

>>35333896
Hah. No. Why should I learn Japanese to understand a chuuba who doesn't know I exist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 00:40:33 No.35359964 Report

Quoted By: >>35367673

>>35359903
you learned english but no one who speaks english knows that you exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 02:17:02 No.35364836 Report

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>>35333896
Its never too late to start

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 02:18:49 No.35364939 Report

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>>35353271
>He thinks the EN girls say anything of substance
Oh no no no no. Anon I watch vtubers for cute noises not for a femoids shit opinions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 03:11:32 No.35367673 Report

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>>35359964
My parents, my neighbors, my co-workers, my boss.
Is that all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 03:15:21 No.35367885 Report

Quoted By: >>35369643

>>35353271
Dude, I've done a couple months on Duolingo, which is a really shitty way of learning the language, and most days I just do a Hiragana or Katakana lesson to keep the streak active, and I still can understand what's going on most of the time in JP gaming streams. Japanese is a really fucking easy language as long as you aren't trying to read it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 03:47:12 No.35369643 Report

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>>35367885
>I still can understand what's going on most of the time in gaming streams.
Ok. Go audio only and tell me you're still just as good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 05:10:10 No.35374238 Report

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>>35333896
I will now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Oct 2022 05:10:31 No.35374259 Report

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>>35333896
never

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