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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 12:56:11 No.53175283 View View Reply Original Report

What's wrong with her?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 12:57:13 No.53175336 Report

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Tempiss suspension deflection thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 12:58:17 No.53175399 Report

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UUUUUUAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 12:59:24 No.53175455 Report

Quoted By: >>53177510

>>53175283
shes trying to get a woman to finger fuck her on the train

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:00:11 No.53175499 Report

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>>53175283
Imagine the thighjobs

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:00:58 No.53175529 Report

Quoted By: >>53175700 >>53175836 >>53175861 >>53181158 >>53193639

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:01:24 No.53175553 Report

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>>53175283
>What's wrong with her?
She isn't my wife.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:02:34 No.53175618 Report

Quoted By: >>53188365

>>53175283
trying to be EN Marine

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:04:10 No.53175700 Report

Quoted By: >>53191831

>>53175529
>filename

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:05:52 No.53175782 Report

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>>53175283

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:05:56 No.53175788 Report

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God I'm so fucking wet right now.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:06:59 No.53175836 Report

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>>53175529

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:07:36 No.53175861 Report

Quoted By: >>53175914

>>53175529
>>53175788
Do her parents know about her and Kiara?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:07:39 No.53175865 Report

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>>53175283
I live inside her asshole and missed my rent for the month

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:08:36 No.53175914 Report

Quoted By: >>53176337 >>53194609 >>53194852 >>53198345

>>53175861
Probably encourages it if they have more children. Bringing a European girl into the family would be a social booster

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:09:27 No.53175959 Report

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>>53175283
nothing, second best austrian ever

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:16:38 No.53176278 Report

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>>53175283
>What's wrong with her?
She's wasting all the sweat particles by not sitting directly on my face

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:17:49 No.53176337 Report

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>>53175914
I love how Reine's fans are so open. You're the best ID fans by a mile. Compared to...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:19:15 No.53176396 Report

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>>53175283
diamonds

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:21:09 No.53176494 Report

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imagine the smell

i want to sniff her seat and her panties

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:21:28 No.53176512 Report

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Kiara really needs to stop making me so horny at work.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:39:32 No.53177311 Report

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>>53175283

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:41:00 No.53177381 Report

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>>53175283
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:43:54 No.53177510 Report

Quoted By: >>53181174 >>53194910

>>53175455
She clearly said
>I CANT HELP IT
>fuck man
>They're oily too from my massage so it's even worse
there. I don't see any "fuck woman" in that post, although I'm curious who those oily men might be

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 13:47:52 No.53177701 Report

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>>53175283

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 14:27:21 No.53179476 Report

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>>53175283
>public transport seats
Yeah, me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 15:07:58 No.53181036 Report

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>>53175283
It was supposed to be me...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 15:11:06 No.53181158 Report

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>>53175529
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 15:11:29 No.53181174 Report

Quoted By: >>53182914

>>53177510
Japanese massages always have a good ending

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 15:12:48 No.53181224 Report

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>>53175283
you get on the train, go to the first empty seat you see, there's a big wet butt print on it...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 15:15:00 No.53181326 Report

Quoted By: >>53218893

>>53175283
If I saw this happen, as soon as she stood up to get off the train I would leap across the carriage and start sniffing and licking the seat. I would finish by rubbing my cock all over it, really trying to bathe it in as much kiara sweat as possible while jerking off. No number of tiny japanese transit police would be able to pry me away until I had ejaculated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 15:22:14 No.53181628 Report

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>>53175283
did she get the special again?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 15:50:32 No.53182914 Report

Quoted By: >>53188060

>>53181174
She gets Thai massages though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 16:48:17 No.53185930 Report

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>>53175283
sex

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 16:50:57 No.53186055 Report

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>>53175283
Reine has to be furiously masturbating after reading that

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 16:53:56 No.53186224 Report

Quoted By: >>53186416 >>53186611 >>53186976 >>53187246

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 16:57:43 No.53186416 Report

Quoted By: >>53186488 >>53186685

>>53186224
>Chicken loves niggers
Colour me surprised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 16:59:07 No.53186488 Report

Quoted By: >>53186685

>>53186416
I mean. it's usually backwards, but it's cute to see love is responded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:01:54 No.53186611 Report

Quoted By: >>53186958

>>53186224
>He posted it again
If you are going to be a seething schizo at least post something entertaining

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:03:26 No.53186685 Report

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>>53186416
>>53186488
>More than one minute apart
Stop making your samefagging this obvious

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:07:58 No.53186958 Report

Quoted By: >>53187053

>>53186611
Is this entertaining for you then ?
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/3950347/#3951130

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:08:11 No.53186976 Report

Quoted By: >>53187195

>>53186224
women like this should go on lone hiking adventures around Africa

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:09:23 No.53187053 Report

Quoted By: >>53187181 >>53187594 >>53188541 >>53189063

>>53186958
Everybody already knows about that retard, anon. Him being doxxed was literally the only thing the board could talk about for like 2 full days straight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:12:15 No.53187181 Report

Quoted By: >>53187241 >>53187494

>>53187053
Are Americans the ones doing BBC cuckposting? I'm confused.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:12:38 No.53187195 Report

Quoted By: >>53187374

>>53186976
Go back to your containment board /pol/lack
Here let me help you
>>>/pol/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:13:40 No.53187241 Report

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>>53187181
Yes Mutt's law

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:13:46 No.53187246 Report

Quoted By: >>53187457

>>53186224
Evergreen. Stop expecting women to have correct opinions on their own.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:16:30 No.53187374 Report

Quoted By: >>53187470 >>53187579 >>53188201

>>53187195
no, but keep seething though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:16:42 No.53187382 Report

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>Trumptards still crying that the European woman does not like him
A classic RUMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:16:43 No.53187383 Report

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>>53175283
Would you drink Kiara's thigh sweat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:18:12 No.53187457 Report

Quoted By:

>>53187246
one of the most relevant posts ever made on jp, maybe ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:18:24 No.53187470 Report

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>>53187374
>You are the one seething
The projection is hillarious

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:18:50 No.53187494 Report

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>>53187181
No
It's a fucking Chilean
It's always third-worlders, every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:20:28 No.53187579 Report

Quoted By: >>53188257

>>53187374
>Check filename
>Nijinigger who shits on holoEN(mainly Gura) and constantly cuckposts
JESAS

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:20:47 No.53187594 Report

Quoted By: >>53187695 >>53187790

>>53187053
ebony is bleached, not blacked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:22:41 No.53187695 Report

Quoted By: >>53187790 >>53187850

>>53187594
Ebony is just black people porn in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:24:30 No.53187790 Report

Quoted By:

>>53187695
>>53187594
It's black women, nog or white male.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:25:44 No.53187850 Report

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>>53187695
this is like claiming that using the "blonde" tag is for all white people, unless men or parts of them like their cocks are specified the porn tag is about the woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:27:34 No.53187945 Report

Quoted By: >>53187967 >>53187999 >>53188079 >>53188245

>>53175283
Her bf probably gave her the massage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:28:00 No.53187967 Report

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>>53187945
Yeah he did.
That bf? Me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:28:47 No.53187999 Report

Quoted By: >>53188245

>>53187945
I don't think her best friend is skilled in thai massages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:29:56 No.53188060 Report

Quoted By: >>53188131

>>53182914
that is even worse, like 90% of thai massage places are just brothels
t. sweden

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:30:22 No.53188079 Report

Quoted By: >>53188201

>>53187945
This is a Kiara thread, not a Gura/Fauna/Mumei thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:31:25 No.53188131 Report

Quoted By: >>53188190

>>53188060
I wish I had one of those massage places around where I lived...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:32:37 No.53188190 Report

Quoted By: >>53188458

>>53188131
Their women look worse than their ladyboys so you do you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:32:53 No.53188198 Report

Quoted By: >>53188303 >>53188598

Typical desperate for attention type tweet. This is normal behavior for women who haven't had positive affirmation from a male in the past 30 minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:32:59 No.53188201 Report

Quoted By:

>>53187374
Oh it was actually a nijinog
Nice catch anon
>>53188079

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:33:48 No.53188245 Report

Quoted By:

>>53187945
Yeah me, I am her best friend
>>53187999
You are wrong in you assumption

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:34:10 No.53188257 Report

Quoted By:

>>53187579
Damn, you weren't lying.
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/filename/E__8aMyXoAAwXCj.jpg/page/1/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:35:09 No.53188303 Report

Quoted By:

>>53188198
>t. Jealous Roastie

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:36:27 No.53188365 Report

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>>53175618
Kiara is legitimately degenerate.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:38:10 No.53188446 Report

Quoted By: >>53188609

yeah me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:38:17 No.53188458 Report

Quoted By: >>53188653

>>53188190
>Worse than their ladyboys
>Thai
Anon... Why are you admitting that you are a pedophile?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:39:57 No.53188541 Report

Quoted By: >>53189322

>>53187053
>Australia: Lesbian
>Bae and Sana being the only straights of Council
How...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:40:13 No.53188558 Report

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>>53175283
pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero pero

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:40:54 No.53188598 Report

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>>53188198
You just described every social media post. So insightful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:41:08 No.53188609 Report

Quoted By:

>>53188446
I am going to jerk off to this later, I love kiara!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:41:20 No.53188620 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175283
Summer a shit, obviously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:42:15 No.53188653 Report

Quoted By: >>53188676

>>53188458
Ladyboys are not literally boys retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:42:46 No.53188676 Report

Quoted By:

>>53188653
The Thai ones are though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:50:38 No.53189063 Report

Quoted By:

>>53187053
>Be Brazil
>Have some of the most beautiful woman on the world
>Loves trans porn
Brazil...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 17:56:03 No.53189322 Report

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>>53188541
>Sana
>Straight

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 18:10:37 No.53190048 Report

Quoted By: >>53190175

>>53175283
this cosplay was accurate from the get go

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 18:13:03 No.53190159 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175283
many things but this isn't one of them
I respect the chicken

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 18:13:25 No.53190175 Report

Quoted By:

>>53190048
>non pettan
fake and gay

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 18:51:47 No.53191747 Report

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>>53175283
What's wrong, got a boner? Are you going to jerk your little dick to a vtuber? God, you are pathetic...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 18:53:11 No.53191831 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175700
Newfag go back to r*ddit kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 19:23:23 No.53193303 Report

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>>53175283
I'm suddenly unbearably thirsty...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 19:30:21 No.53193639 Report

Quoted By: >>53193947

>>53175529

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 19:34:17 No.53193853 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175283
>oiled up
>now frying

Didn't know she'd go this far to be like her fanbase

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 19:36:17 No.53193947 Report

Quoted By: >>53212817

>>53193639
But that's two boys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 19:50:03 No.53194609 Report

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>>53175914
Also she does have european nationality "visiting my step daughter" is just easy visa. And even russian rich people goes on vacation in europa nonstop. If reine family is as loaded as people say, lesbianism is litteraly then smallest disaventage of this and can be totaly ignored compared to the pros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 19:54:31 No.53194852 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175914
No it doesn't, no one wants to marry a yuropoor

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 19:55:41 No.53194910 Report

Quoted By:

>>53177510
me in her vagvag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 20:09:08 No.53195578 Report

Quoted By:

One of the rare cases where I want to make love to her roommate cosplaying as the vtuber

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 20:29:01 No.53196607 Report

Quoted By:

...fuck
here i go wanking to her roommate again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 21:05:35 No.53198345 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175914
Anon they are both women, also they live in a conservative country in a culture that cares about face. Reine is able to push it because she has mo ey but if she actually starts a lesbian relationship with some white european girl it could affect her families reputation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 21:18:09 No.53198863 Report

Quoted By: >>53198926 >>53199732

>tweets horny bait shit because she's desperate to get any eyes on her she can
"OMG you pervs, I'm innocent idol"

Does this bitch really need attention that bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 21:19:43 No.53198926 Report

Quoted By:

>>53198863
Cholesterol-ridden, STD-laden roastie hands typed this post

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 21:38:02 No.53199732 Report

Quoted By:

>>53198863
It's working. I want to fuck her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 22:51:04 No.53203871 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175283
She wanted fanart. So get on to it and you might get a like from her

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 22:53:46 No.53204005 Report

Quoted By: >>53207432

>>53175283
She's a pepsy lesbian dancer eternally surrounded by an array of nubile young idols she can talk into 'experimenting' and eventually mindbreak. Obviously, she'll be damp most days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jul 2023 23:57:12 No.53207432 Report

Quoted By:

>>53204005
hot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 00:31:08 No.53209416 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175283
It's hot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 00:55:57 No.53211003 Report

Quoted By:

>>53175283
She pissed on the seats and tried to find an excuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 01:00:40 No.53211278 Report

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Huffing sweaty, slightly spicy Wawa stink...
Am I the only one that smells cinamon-esque smell when someone works out a very light amount?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 01:04:04 No.53211511 Report

Quoted By: >>53214443

>>53175283
She knows that the losers who pay her bills love this kind of shit. Nothing wrong with it. Kiara is fine with debasing herself every now and again for her fans.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 01:20:52 No.53212817 Report

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>>53193947
The peacock is male, but the chicken is female. This is what a male chicken looks like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 01:45:29 No.53214443 Report

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>>53211511
kiara loves her fans. INA TELL US ABOUT YOUR SWEATY THIGHS

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 02:42:29 No.53218688 Report

Quoted By: >>53219705

>>53175283
She is a vtuuba.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 02:44:24 No.53218830 Report

Quoted By:

>kiara
>BOYfriend

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 02:45:19 No.53218893 Report

Quoted By:

>>53181326
>meets kiara
>decides to rape the seat instead of kiara
you are already going in for indecent behaviour, miht as well enjoy the crime

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 02:56:14 No.53219705 Report

Quoted By: >>53223777

>>53218688
I'm pretty sure that's Disney Castle in the background.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jul 2023 03:47:04 No.53223777 Report

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>>53219705
Disney castle are inpired from german castle so....

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