>>55253757>At least they deserve itDo they, though? They were firmly stuck in the 2view mire, unable to drag themselves out for the longest time despite numerous efforts, before they lucked out with Hololive. The level of their output hasn't changed post-holo debut, only the viewership. Not belittling the work they put in, I remember the numerous shill threads they kept getting, but what if the viewership back then was quite appropriate for the quality of the content?
This is something that I often ponder when holos are being touted as the industry's super-talented, entitled elite. With a handful of exceptions they were all picked out of that mire of unimpressive minor streamers, vtubers and youtubers, yet somehow their skill and talent are elevated the moment their Holo debuts are announced. Meanwhile, their equally (and often more) talented peers get to keep wallowing in the mire, experiencing minor growth at best.
Big indies are exciting because if they manage to stay big, it's often because they have that little extra something. Out of holos, only a couple of the JPs impress me to that degree. Most holos are too stale and basic to have gotten noticed without the company brand buff. Specifically, they tend to smell like
>mediocre streamers getting a fuckload of attention just for being brand-affiliated 
