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What's your excuse

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:21:07 No.59661454 View View Reply Original Report

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Indie vtuber learns one of the worst trenchcoat ass languages on the planet just to understand her oshi's.

What's your excuse Anon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:30:42 No.59661940 Report

Quoted By: >>59662112 >>59662296 >>59662391 >>59662496 >>59665311 >>59667221 >>59667679

>>59661454
Don't know where to start. Most anons here say that the easiest way to start is to write down the Hiragana alphabet onto note cards and remember them as you go along towards the more harder letters, but there has to be more right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:34:23 No.59662112 Report

Quoted By: >>59662820 >>59666219

>>59661940
go to /jp/ and follow the /djt/ guide

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:37:31 No.59662242 Report

Quoted By: >>59666442 >>59667369

>>59661454
My brain cannot handle non-latin alphabets.
t. trilingual

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:38:36 No.59662296 Report

Quoted By: >>59662496 >>59663490 >>59674719

>>59661940
It's a basic and probably going to be met with sneers from the 'serious' JP learners but I've been doing 20 minutes of duolingo a day and now after a year I can understand simple sentences and about 30 to 40% of more complex sentences when I listen to JP holomems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:40:22 No.59662380 Report

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>>59661454
My oshi speaks English so why do I care?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:40:32 No.59662391 Report

Quoted By: >>59662547

>>59661940
If you just want to watch vtubers just play a lot of vn and watch a lot of anime both with English subtitles of course.
Your monkey brain will automatically learn the language as you hear the Japanese voice and read the English subtitles at the same time.
This work for me to the point where I understand migo Japanese and being an unofficial translator for the Japanese guests in my company
The important note is I do it since I was a kid so there is a lot of kid brain magic going on and I still can't read a single Japanese rune

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:42:15 No.59662471 Report

Quoted By: >>59662618

>>59661454
Learning another language isn't going to get me laid so why bother?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:43:01 No.59662496 Report

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>>59661940
Ain't no way you still haven't learned the hiraganas bro
>>59662296
>when I listen to JP holomems
Keep doing that. Immersion is magic. Just make sure to keep working on your kanji and try not to speak like a woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:44:08 No.59662547 Report

Quoted By: >>59662734

>>59662391
Do you speak Chinese

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:45:43 No.59662618 Report

Quoted By: >>59662818

>>59662471
Learning another language is consistently one of the most powerful ways to get laid in human history.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:48:03 No.59662734 Report

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>>59662547
I don't play any Chinese games or watch any Chinese anime so no. But I know someone who understands Korea just because she watch a lot of K-drama so I think this method work for Chinese too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:49:30 No.59662818 Report

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>>59662618
I learned English when I was 15 and I'm still a virgin at 26, now what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:49:31 No.59662820 Report

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Do not do this >>59662112

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:52:18 No.59662967 Report

Quoted By: >>59663202 >>59663478

>>59661454
I'm trying but it's hard. I'm at the point where I can read vinnies or basic stuff in general without looking up for kanji or vocab every minute. But I'm totally lost when it comes up to actually speaking or listening. I grasp most of the stuff in vidja streams but with zatsus my brain completly gives up. I gave up on speaking because I have no one to practice with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:54:49 No.59663071 Report

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>>59661454
Post the link to the Japanese Hololistening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:57:18 No.59663202 Report

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>>59662967
>with zatsus my brain completly gives up
Just don't. Genuinely. It's not hard if you just get over that initial hurdle.
You can also try starting from subbed clips so you have something to fall back on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 19:59:06 No.59663288 Report

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>>59661454
>trenchcoat ass
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:02:51 No.59663478 Report

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>>59662967
As the other guy said, VNs are a good way to ease yourself into it. I more or less got the basics, grammar and words, just from hundreds of hours reading TLd VNs before I even bothered to learn hiragana. Clearly you gotta pay attention to both the text and the audio but it works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:03:06 No.59663490 Report

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>>59662296
Anon you've been studying the language for a year. You are one of the serious learners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:12:34 No.59663954 Report

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>>59661454
I am unironically an extreme procrastinator, I never do anything significant without being forced to. Respect to this indie though, I wish her the best, even may drop a follow to her channel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:12:36 No.59663959 Report

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>>59663288
The dude doesn't even understand apostrophes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:19:44 No.59664298 Report

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I’m retarded, that’s my excuse. And yes, before you ask, I’m dumber than any of those girls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:24:24 No.59664487 Report

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>>59663288
You've never heard the term of English being multiple languages in a trench coat pretending to be 1 language?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:29:29 No.59664727 Report

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damn this is wholesome, I really need to start learning Japanese so that I can understand Subaru

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:31:52 No.59664836 Report

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I don't have an excuse, I'm just incredibly lazy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:32:50 No.59664892 Report

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>>59661454
I already learned English

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:41:46 No.59665311 Report

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>>59661940
Try the japanesepod101 1 hour kana videos, those were the key for me. Study basic grammar at least enough to know how a sentence flows and then you're set to learn by listening. Listening to music helps a lot too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:43:43 No.59665389 Report

Quoted By: >>59667469

>>59663288
the anglo-saxons brought in their nose language and it merged with the celtic native languages of britain. the normans then conquered them, adding in french. then globalism and diplomacy added in other random phrases and words.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 20:44:28 No.59665422 Report

Quoted By: >>59666400

I've long accepted that my brain just isn't wired to learn multiple languages. But I don't need to understand Japanese to enjoy Japanese streams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:02:54 No.59666219 Report

Quoted By: >>59666291 >>59666400 >>59667679 >>59670982

>>59662112
I don’t trust 4chan advice at all when it comes to Japanese. I’m told all I need is like an hour a day for 4 months and I’ll be able to perfectly understand JP if I just follow this sweet guide. Meanwhile anywhere else tells me it can take up 1000+ hours to get conversational at JP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:04:34 No.59666291 Report

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>>59666219
you dont need to be conversational you only need to know chat basics and follow the hivemind. you dont need any idea on how to speak, only listen, write, and some light reading.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:06:18 No.59666400 Report

Quoted By: >>59667403

>>59665422
Human brains actually are incredibly adept at learning languages. The only things that can make it difficult are either the learning material or your own laziness.
>>59666219
Depends on your pre existent knowledge, to be fair. Simply following guides won't get you anywhere though. They're guides, not fucking walkthroughs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:06:58 No.59666442 Report

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>>59662242
>speaks british, american and 'mexican'

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:14:56 No.59666862 Report

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>>59661454
i refuse to learn a dying language

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:21:43 No.59667221 Report

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>>59661940
If you're seriously having trouble with hiragana you should just quit now and squash any notion of attempting it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:23:41 No.59667323 Report

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>>59661454
I literally moved to Japan so I could learn the language solely to understand streams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:24:49 No.59667369 Report

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>>59662242
Based romance bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:25:37 No.59667403 Report

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>>59666400
Laziness is a disability

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:27:08 No.59667469 Report

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>>59665389
English has very few Celtic words to the point that the historians of yesteryear thought the Saxons wiped them all out so I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:30:42 No.59667631 Report

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>>59663288
English is a meme language that changed so much over the years that a modern German native speaker will understand more Old English than a modern English native speaker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:31:25 No.59667663 Report

Quoted By: >>59667781 >>59668044

>>59667631
That's not true at all. What are you on about?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:31:38 No.59667676 Report

Quoted By: >>59667828

That's pretty sweet, I wish I could do the same with JP.
I also got curious because I didn't know this existed, I wonder if there is a sample somewhere I could listen to, I'm interested.
And why is Miko there, that's shit is too funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:31:45 No.59667679 Report

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>>59661940
>>59666219
Genki books 1 and 2 work really well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:33:57 No.59667781 Report

Quoted By: >>59668001

>>59667663
ESL's that don't understand English fully whining about the language

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:34:42 No.59667817 Report

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>>59661454
Unironically English is much easier to learn than Japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:34:53 No.59667828 Report

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>>59667676
You would have to watch streams to know about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:38:35 No.59668001 Report

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>>59667781
Many such cases.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:39:27 No.59668044 Report

Quoted By: >>59668512

>>59667663
How much of picrel do you understand? It's an excerpt from Beowulf, originally written in Old English.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:40:18 No.59668074 Report

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>>59661454
>SHe learned English to listen to people who don't stream
Sadly thats why I won't learn Japanese, they will graduate before I can understand them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:43:45 No.59668240 Report

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My job leaves me feeling drained even though it's only 40 hours a week, I invest more time in fitness and the gym because sitting down for long periods is causing my health to get worse. This means I have little time/energy left, and I don't really feel like sitting at a desk. If I worked an active job I could do it, but I really hate sitting at desks now, my back hurts from all the sitting. How the fuck did boomers ever think offices were acceptable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:50:37 No.59668512 Report

Quoted By: >>59668677 >>59668750

>>59668044
Are you retarded? A German speaker wouldn't understand what was being said either. Do you think German is some primordial language that's never evolved over time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:53:38 No.59668627 Report

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>>59661454
At least post the link Mr.Nguyen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:54:22 No.59668677 Report

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>>59668512
A German back then wouldn't understand it either. Old English is closer to old Norse than anything else

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:55:45 No.59668750 Report

Quoted By: >>59668810 >>59668822

>>59668512
I said that today, a German speaker would have a better shot at understanding Old English than an English speaker, not that a German speaker is magically also gonna be fluent in Old English.
I'm not sure why you're getting so mad about this in the first place, this shit is literally academic consensus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:56:43 No.59668810 Report

Quoted By: >>59668851

>>59668750
You're still wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:56:59 No.59668822 Report

Quoted By: >>59668851

>>59668750
>wikipedia
Thanks for proving my point that you're a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 21:57:33 No.59668851 Report

Quoted By: >>59668980

>>59668810
>>59668822
>no argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 22:00:09 No.59668980 Report

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>>59668851
Your original statement is so retarded it's not even funny. It's the equivalent of listening to a child trying to argue with his teachers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 22:34:01 No.59670749 Report

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>>59661454
English is honestly not hard to learn.
It's only the cobbled together, frankenstein-like abomination that is their spelling system that is hard.
But if you don't have to write nobody will even know you can't spell anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 22:38:31 No.59670982 Report

Quoted By: >>59680823

>>59666219
have you actually tried either way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 23:39:53 No.59674138 Report

Quoted By: >>59681194

Nips live in a world where they can't read a name unless it's a very common one without accompanying kana, nor can they write it when given the kana same caveat. This alone demonstrates what a retarded alphabet they use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 23:41:45 No.59674238 Report

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>>59661454
I have an English speaking oshi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 23:49:22 No.59674719 Report

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>>59662296
i don't know why people hate on duolingo. it's not the best but it's better than nothing. and honestly, after visiting japan 3 times before actually taking studies seriously. duolingo in the beginning is definitely catered to people travelling to JP for the first time. it'll teach you very good basics and how to get around hotels and conbinis and shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Oct 2023 23:59:23 No.59675267 Report

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>>59661454
Honestly it does feel amazing to understand another language. I study really slowly so I don't have any delusions, I've got a long way to go, but when it starts making sense without needing to "translate" it in your head it just...works. It's amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Oct 2023 00:04:19 No.59675518 Report

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Imagine being this dumb bitch and learning a whole language so you can understand an oshi who doesn't stream or even post tweets lmaoooo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Oct 2023 01:18:30 No.59680823 Report

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>>59670982
Here and there, not gonna act like i'm 100% consistent with my practice, its mostly just been Duolingo stuff and I'm sure theres probably a better way to learn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Oct 2023 01:20:31 No.59680981 Report

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>>59661454
English is a language spoken around the world and used in pretty much every business dealings worth a damn
Japanese is known only by the shrinking population of a small east Asian country, whose economy has literally not grown in 30 years and is entirely reliant on cultural domination to keep their economy afloat
You tell me why nobody bothers to learn their stupid language

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Oct 2023 01:23:17 No.59681194 Report

Quoted By: >>59681554

>>59674138
I remember when a japanese politician proposed changing the official language of the country to french because kanji was too annoying to deal with

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Oct 2023 01:25:06 No.59681332 Report

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>>59661454
>Viet youtube
I've spent time learning French and Japanese, but Vietnamese is way harder to pronounce than either of those. Feel bad for anyone learning that language.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Oct 2023 01:28:04 No.59681554 Report

Quoted By: >>59682195

>>59681194(me)
if not for kanji, the language wouldn't be that hard, they could just start using the roman alphabet if they wanted to and it would be both easier to learn, read and write japanese, kanji is an interesting concept but complicates chinese and japanese a lot and doesn't offer much in return other than looking good and maybe cool wordplay

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Oct 2023 01:35:56 No.59682195 Report

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>>59681554
Kanji is just an easier shortcut to context. You're still converting written words into their meaning if you read them in kana, without kanji you're doing one extra step in your brain.

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