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i dont like this pattern bros

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:38:05 No.59995203 View View Reply Original Report

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>myth comes out
>everyone loves them and their energy
>eventually gets given tons of retarded idol duties
>slowly they start caring less
>council comes out
>everyone loves them and their energy
>eventually given tons of retarded idol duties
>slowly they start caring less
>advent comes out
>everyone loves them and their energy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:39:20 No.59995294 Report

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>>59995203
JPs are doing that for 4 years and most are doing good, unironic skill issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:41:03 No.59995411 Report

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>>59995294
That's because JP has the better market for it. They've perfected parasocialism since at least the 80s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:45:14 No.59995667 Report

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>>59995203
>council comes out
>everyone loves them and their energy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:49:21 No.59995944 Report

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>>59995203
>advent comes out
>everyone loves them and their energy
what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:51:09 No.59996041 Report

Quoted By: >>60000001

Lazy millionaires

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:52:05 No.59996104 Report

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>>59995203
I don't think Council have had that problem. Mumei, Fauna, and Bae seem solid. Moom just has a sickly body. Fauna got the coof otherwise she's kept streaming. Bae is trying her best as the runt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:53:58 No.59996246 Report

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>>59995203
>sudden realization that EN is a passing fad, with each new gen proving the last as obsolete

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:54:28 No.59996295 Report

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>>59996104
Sana straight up left and Kronii is the biggest menhera in the company.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:55:48 No.59996377 Report

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>>59995294
They get to do it from home.
Not fly halfway across the world to a place no one speaks your language and half to live there for months and still try keep your viewers happy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:56:05 No.59996393 Report

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>>59995294
No it's not. The JPs don't have shitty JP arcs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:58:25 No.59996541 Report

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>>59996377
Irys live there, Mori and Kiara lived there too for quite a while too, if logistics are their only problem...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 02:59:56 No.59996640 Report

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>>59996295
>Kronii is the biggest menhera in the company.
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 03:17:52 No.59998172 Report

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>>59995203
People will deny it, fling their wrists, and jump up and down like a chimpanzee but that's the EN fanbase in a nutshell and I've seen it for 3 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 03:24:58 No.59998669 Report

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>>59996377
they all literally could get a free ride in japan if they wanted to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 03:30:38 No.59999078 Report

Quoted By: >>60000001

Advent's numbers are already getting low across the board, it's gotta be pretty demoralizing for the livers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 03:34:22 No.59999342 Report

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>>59998669
anon they have fucking houses and homes. and some of them live with family and or pets, or have other obligations where they currently live.
its a massive ask to have your talents all move to japan indefinitely when you could just set up a management branch in the americas so they dont have to wake up at 2:00 AM for your shitty meetings.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 03:53:56 No.60000854 Report

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>>59995203
this is more an issue of the girls having no vision of what they wanna be and thus have no work ethic and the talent scouts for being shit at their job. imagine if all hires were people like Fuwamoco. hololive would be fucking unstoppable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 04:01:14 No.60001356 Report

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>>59995203
I understand what you say. I think EN's idol-like activities are for JP viewers who cannot understand English and don't watch their usual stream and for gathering JP momey. I wonder overseas viewers outside of JP really want that idol thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 04:04:39 No.60001598 Report

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idol company

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 04:04:59 No.60001620 Report

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>>59999342
>2:00 AM for your shitty meetings
You know the 2:00AM idol meetings aren't voice calls with Japanese managers, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 04:06:26 No.60001729 Report

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>>60001356
overseas viewers go crazy for "idols" but the definition is a bit more different. doing japanese idol shit in the US obviously wouldn't be as popular because people think it's cringe (i avoid all Holo songs because they're garbage). But Kiara has been making an effort to "localize" her songs and widen her appeal so at least she's aware

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:06:28 No.60005484 Report

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>>59995203
Only some members flake out and get lazy. Their problem, hololive is more than a streamer group and that's a big part of the unique appeal. Everyone should know that by now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:08:44 No.60005589 Report

Quoted By: >>60005767

>>59995203
Well FuwaMoco and Biboo have now both stated that they think they will stream less in the future because of these kind of activities. So yeah I’m worried too.
It’s nice to finally have members who stream consistently like JP. Maybe Yagoo and his troon managers can get their heads out of their asses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:09:01 No.60005601 Report

Quoted By: >>60005738 >>60006693

>>59996393
You know multiple JP members have had to go to america and around asia for events, right?
Of course you dont because they just do their job and dont cry and stop streaming for 6 months because they had to travel once

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:12:01 No.60005738 Report

Quoted By: >>60012674

>>60005601
EN
> Oh no, all expense paid trip to Japan
> Schedule Hort
> Yeah we had a huge boob-grabbing off collab and then went to an onsen and had Gordon Ramsey himself make sushi for us
> Sorry, still no streams. Dance recitals and 5 star dinner later

JP
> Oh yeah! I was overseas last week. Brought my laptop with me. You didn’t notice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:12:36 No.60005767 Report

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>>60005589
If you actually love your oshis you should want them to have Kiara numbers so they'll have more creative freedom and not be bogged down by useless "idol" projects that never materialize.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:14:18 No.60005868 Report

Quoted By: >>60012170

>>60005767
I just want the idol shit to end if it’s this big of a strain on their schedules.

I don’t need them to have 3,000 hours of professional dance lessons taken. The concerts are fun, but they’re not why I watch Hololive.
A once a year show isn’t worth cutting their stream hours in half. It’s fucking stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:18:28 No.60006101 Report

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>>59995203
>eventually gets given tons of retarded idol duties
this is such a weird cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:18:29 No.60006105 Report

Quoted By: >>60007034 >>60009923 >>60010087

>>59995203
>advent comes out
>everyone loves them
Fags were out here shitting on Shiori, and Gurafags felt attacked by Bijou. Don't know anything about Nerissa because I didn't watch her nor do I care enough to keep up with her. Fuwamoco turned out okay, but the ruffians turned out to be complete fucking tumors who instigate shit with any fanbase that they interact with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:24:11 No.60006398 Report

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>>59995294
Fucking idiots still thinking is reasonable to compare JPs a walk and train away from all idol duties to EN flying to a flipped time zone , stablish where to temporally stay and go through the long backlog of idol duties cover has waiting for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:26:34 No.60006538 Report

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>>60006398
Then they need to open a central remote studio in the US, where the EN members can take a train or a shorter flight to get to.
This shit is ridiculous. EN goes to Japan and it’s like 1 month of no streams and 1 more month of recovery. Then back to Japan again in another month or two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:29:39 No.60006693 Report

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>>60005601
The JP guests to the most important live event for the EN branch chose to do it remotely from Japan , STFU you ignorant ape

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 05:36:29 No.60007034 Report

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>>60006105
>Fags were out here shitting on Shiori; Gurafags felt attacked by Bijou
More like antis were using Advent to shit on EN using debut buff as "proof" EN underperformed and pushing a holo vs holo narrative. Antis pushed Bijou as the Gura killer and blamed Gura when the buff faded with some Pebbles actually buying into schizo shit on Gura and holo vs holo on Shiori because Keala lifestyle streaming shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 06:06:46 No.60008423 Report

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>>59995203
Them doing idol duties are them caring more about their job idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 06:23:29 No.60009133 Report

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Weird revisionism, Council started out extremely slow and most were disappointed with it, they picked up steam later on

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 06:27:19 No.60009279 Report

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>>60006398
Ah yes the idol duties. I am eagerly awaiting these idol duties that myth have been doing for the past...year? It will come out soon though for sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 06:40:46 No.60009815 Report

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>>59995203
>council comes out
>everyone loves their designs but then quickly people start caring less when they debut
>Omega
fixed that revisionist history for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 06:43:14 No.60009923 Report

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>>60006105
>ruffians turned out to be complete fucking tumors who instigate shit with any fanbase that they interact with
Sounds like you got gate-kept and are still a little salt and vinegar about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 06:44:19 No.60009965 Report

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>>60006538
>US
>long-distance trains
lol. lmao, even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 06:47:36 No.60010087 Report

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>>60006105
bau bau

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 06:49:35 No.60010174 Report

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>>59995203
>this pattern
Schizochama...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:33:50 No.60011614 Report

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>>59995203
>burnout israel
Wow anon great observation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:36:52 No.60011698 Report

Quoted By: >>60012017

>>60011614
Burnout is when company loads you up with hundreds of hours of dance training, multiple flights to a foreign country, and weeks in a hotel room so they can produce a prerecorded concert that they have 2 songs in.

Anon… this isn’t burnout.
It’s mental retardation of management.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:44:06 No.60011912 Report

Quoted By: >>60011984

They're vtubers not 3d idols. They don't need to know how to dance, cover can and should hire dancers for them. Autotune can cover the singing. There's no fucking reason there should be as much idol work as the talents claim. Either they're lying and lazy or cover is incompetent, or maybe both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:45:33 No.60011957 Report

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>>59996295
Oh no, Laplus currently has that title, Kronii just makes stupid decisions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:46:37 No.60011984 Report

Quoted By: >>60012000 >>60012074

>>60011912
No faggot, they signed up to be idols and they fucking do idol shit. Go back to Vhoejo or Kurosanji where that shit is acceptable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:47:25 No.60012000 Report

Quoted By: >>60012420

>>60011984
They're not 3d idols. Cope faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:48:05 No.60012017 Report

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>>60011698
This is what they applied to. Cover never lied about having a vision of being an idol company and it is the aspect that differentiates them from the rest of the corpos. If you want endless streams, you can have your pick of the litter from hundreds of other vtubers. Or just admit that your oshi a shit who lacks the skills to learn a choreo alongside producing regular content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:49:44 No.60012074 Report

Quoted By: >>60012388 >>60012420

>>60011984
No shut the fuck up bitch.
I have been a big supporter of the idol end of Hololive since I first got into it.

But he’s right. There’s no reason why it should be taking so much time that they’re streaming is cut in half. The idol thing is pretty much a theme. They aren’t actual idols, they’re idol style streamers.

Their job is to STREAM.
If they are spending so much time learning choreography and dance and flying to the studio that they aren’t streaming, that’s a big fucking problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:52:25 No.60012151 Report

Quoted By: >>60012169

>>59995294
>and most are doing good
JP gen 2 and 6 are unique for having 5 members at all, and gen 5 is unique for having 4 of its members active.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:53:13 No.60012169 Report

Quoted By: >>60012539

>>60012151
do you have a point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 07:53:19 No.60012170 Report

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>>60005868
They want to do it, they choose to do it. There's no indication that they've ever been coerced into doing all this song and dance stuff, which they have to pay out of pocket for themselves btw like their bday Lives etc. But they joined a jap agency with a known slant, and they see what all the others do in the company so they follow suit.
It's on them and their choices in the end.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:00:45 No.60012388 Report

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>>60012074
>Their job is to STREAM.
LMAO cover has never demanded any of them to stream aside from shill/anniversary streams. You'd think people here would've realized this by now with all the jp mems that have had inconsistent/infrequent streaming schedules long before en was even a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:01:41 No.60012420 Report

Quoted By: >>60012475 >>60012578

>>60012000
>Signs up to be 2D idols, does 2D idol shit
Whatever you say SEAfag.
>>60012074
Ogey chumkek, my oshis still stream and do their idol reps 3-5 times year. Maybe pay to see concerts and find some more hobbies poorfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:03:36 No.60012475 Report

Quoted By: >>60012923 >>60014498

>>60012420
>2D idol
Does not involve dance lessons or most of the shit hololive supposedly asks if their talents. Cope seanigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:05:29 No.60012517 Report

Quoted By: >>60012622

It's abundantly clear what the customers want, just a single look at gura's latest comments section explains everything. Someone is making retarded decisions, whether it be the management or the talent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:06:19 No.60012539 Report

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>>60012169
My point is that JP isnt going good. The roster is 10% gravestones, 10% corpses that havent been buried yet, and 10% hospice patients waiting for the plug to be pulled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:08:02 No.60012578 Report

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>>60012420
Right right…

And so when FuwaMoco and Biboo both this week said that they will stream less in the future because of other activities like their senpais, what do you make of that?

I would rather watch Biboo play games every day than watch 50 holo concerts. I’m here for the streams.
If the 3,000 hours of dance lessons and the 20 trips to Japan are necessary for the prerecorded concert then just forget the concert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:08:30 No.60012596 Report

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>>59995203
It has gotten so bad they even need to do idol meetings mid stream. What's going on? Are they overworked?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:09:16 No.60012618 Report

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>>59995203
Fuwamoco and Bijou will never care less

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:09:25 No.60012622 Report

Quoted By: >>60012890

>>60012517
>It's abundantly clear what the customers want,
*looks at the amount of money Cover talents make from streaming vs idol stuff
yes anon it is ABUNDANTLY clear what customers want, in fact it isn't even close

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:10:50 No.60012654 Report

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>>59995411
It would help if EN didn’t try to demonize parasocial relations at every juncture as if streaming isn’t parasocial to begin with.
They should stop being so scared of the parasocial boogeyman and embrace it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:11:55 No.60012674 Report

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>>60005738
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:18:54 No.60012890 Report

Quoted By: >>60013157 >>60013369

>>60012622
This. At one point even top superchat earner Kekson once said that what she makes from scs were nothing compared to merch/projects/etch. but then again this is the same bitch that thought 50% cut from merch was "low" so take that how you will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:19:57 No.60012923 Report

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>>60012475
Whatever helps you sleep at night retard rumao.
>>60012578
>Would rather deny his oshi's dream just because he'll miss ~10% of the streams in a year.

Unironically get some help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:28:35 No.60013155 Report

Quoted By: >>60013231

>>60012618
Im less worried about them caring less and more worried about when they inevitably break their throats because some retard at cover made them spend 6 straight hours repeating the line "*screams*" for a mediocre hologra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:28:36 No.60013157 Report

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>>60012890
the solution was so simple all along. all we have to do is make sure the amount of money talents make from streaming is greater than what the make from idolshit. don't worry /vt/ if we work together and pool our money I'm sure we can achieve this!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:31:08 No.60013231 Report

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>>60013155
You’re concernfagging, hologra is rarely made, and only with a few members at a time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:36:18 No.60013369 Report

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>>60012890
I really don’t believe her if that’s what she said.
The superchats are literally free money thrown at you for playing a video game and talking. Tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands a month depending on the person.

Merch requires the talent to shill the whole cost of design and production. They and their managers have conduct actual business with merchants and producers to make the money. Taxes, shipping, customs.

The merch is a way to get quick cash for big events like birthdays. But there is no way it beats streaming as an overall money maker.
It’s way more difficult and makes less money.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:37:20 No.60013390 Report

Quoted By: >>60013630 >>60013737 >>60014645

As a brat I get both streams and idol work, so I’m totally satisfied. Maybe just find a better EN oshi?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:46:46 No.60013630 Report

Quoted By: >>60013737 >>60014645

>>60013390
This. Brats, deadbeats and KFP eat well in terms of streams and have their oshis perform on stage, too. Maybe that's why they live rent free in the catalog's mind: they are a constant reminder that their so-called oshi doesn't give two shits about improving themselves for a performance or keeping up with making content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 08:51:06 No.60013737 Report

Quoted By: >>60014809

>>60013390
>>60013630
I feel conflicted sharing oshis with you two since you're being so smug about it. Ame is my kamioshi and I enjoy her the most but I still support Bae and Kiara for what they do. I just wish fans didn't feel the need to shit on other talents when expressing their love for their oshis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 09:18:59 No.60014498 Report

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>>60012475
>2D idol
>Does not involve dance lessons or most of the shit hololive supposedly asks if their talents.
asks
not demands
their choice to acquiesce

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 09:23:57 No.60014645 Report

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>>60013390
>>60013630
>Brats, KFP
Why are the least popular holos in their respective gens usually the most fun to watch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 09:28:58 No.60014809 Report

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>>60013737
Fuck off with that bullshit. I was here when /vt/ wasn't even a board and /jp/ housed all the vtuber discussions on this site. Not a single teamate moved an inch to combat the antiposting against Mori and Kiara, instead they hid behind trinityposting and they were just happy it wasn't their oshi that was getting the short end of the stick. And now you expect me to keep your oshi in respect?
I'm magnanimous enough to let bygones be bygones and not return shitposting in equal amount. But hell if I let my oshi be dragged down with the rest of EN when they get shittalked for sometimes good reasons, like this one. I don't bother with retarded unicornposting or repeating empty shitposts like "improve yourselves", but Ame should be relatively free from obligations so her near absence is worrying at the very least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2023 09:30:06 No.60014838 Report

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>>59995203
Hololive aren't streamers, they're Idols. If you don't like it, there's a lot of Vtubers indie and corpo that are dedicated mostly to streaming.

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