>>62281742Wall of text anon back here, sorry about taking a sec to get back here, haven't even read the rest of the thread yetFirst of all the mascot point just rings hollow to me. These aren't sport players or whatever, every single one of them is essentially a mascot for hololive directed at a slightly different demographic, yes some of them stream more and some less, but that's just one of the many characteristics that differ from each other. The distinction between a corpo vtuber and a mascot is basically semantic when you consider that streaming really isn't hard enough to be considered a real job
"hurr durr why can't Gura at least do that when it's so easy"--> read the other posts in this chain retard and the hardest part of her idol job is something that she still actively involves herself injust because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there, read: vampire cover, her as-of-yet-unreleased originals, the many other projects she has said that have gotten canceled after a lot of work has been completed in its production, etc (and again if you just don't believe her with literally no evidence to the contrary and with plenty of evidence that supports what she has said, you are just being an anti, and this whole argument is moot). Many, many of the things that an idol does so does a mascot do, many of them want to become some sort of mascots as well, and if its essentially an argument of how much a streamer has to stream in a certain time period to not be a mascot and be an idol instead it's, again, a pointless, subjective argument about something that I really struggle to see why some people consider it so negative and thus, why it is repeatedly brought up for essentially no reason.
That said, the argument about Gura's popularity affecting other members is true and it's something I can't refute, but it's also a bit dumb. I'm sorry to keep insulting these arguments that you made like this, but they really ring hollow to me. I'll explain why i think this in 2 bullet points:
1) This is a negative opinion that only exists if you prefer another talent over Gura, which pretty much instantly means that you aren't really a chumbud (I know you've stated this before, but just saying that if this argument applies to anyone, they are essentially already not really that important comparatively to other chumbuds or Gura (at least not as much) and as such is pointless (as that problem is only a problem because you aren't a fan of her to begin with, sort of circularly)
2) Gura really isn't that bad. I've stated this before but when Gura streams she is the best in her niche (that is honestly barely a niche if you consider the overall size of the vtuber community in the west, you could just say that she is the best and it'd be true no matter how mad some anons will be about it). She is positive, charismatic, creates and advances plotlines and is overall a joy to have join in on streams. Now you say, that isn't really what I meant, when she isn't streaming, when she doesn't interact it gives a negative image to hololive. You know what gives the most negative image to the company? Shitstorms, drama, and shitting on the company. In myth, it is undeniable that Gura is the one that caused the least of these issue by far, and it's not even close.
Maybe you could point out Ina for this, but then you have the whole Sana issue, and although it is unfair to say that she is entirely to blame for that, it is one of the most negative events that happened to EN so far so even if her contribution to that is small, I'd still chalk it up there somewhat. Sorry for throwing her under the bus here a bit takos, my intent is not to shitstir stuff merely give my most honest opinion. Outside of this, what are the negative attitudes that can hurt hololives image? Showing that Idols aren't slaves to the company? That they can, if they feel like it, basically just gtfo and fuck off for months on end? I'd say this is even a positive in hololives image, it's very hard to say that they are a black company grinding the talents down to stumps, if one of them just fucks off and they say literally nothing (and i have certainly noticed a decline in that sort of argumentation in the recent past too)
No words left so i'll get to it: Gura said that she'd do better, and if you are a fan its very easy to believe that she is doing her best for us, no copium required. Just because her best isn't amazing right now, doesn't mean she isn't doing that, life just sucks sometimes, it is what it is. The negative effects she might've had on the company are laughable at best, when compared to shit like holizontal, regloss handling, etc. In terms of her attitude being bad, unless you are predisposed to see it that way, she's been, if stressed, really sweet and caring about how she words things: See La+, suisei, etc. In terms of absences there have been worse events (no words to expand)
