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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 17:03:10 No.1975065 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1976333 >>1976334 >>1976507

I keep fucking failing TR Low Volume plans on the threshold/SS rides. They feel way too fucking exhausting where I'm getting angry and irritated doing them. VO2 rides seem okay but fuck these 85-90% rides take so much out of me. Is it because I haven't recovered enough?

I'm getting hella frustrated since my FTP is garbage and I can't seem to push myself to finish any of these cursed rides even after lowering intensity.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 17:26:07 No.1975068 Report

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With the amount of information you provided the best answer I can give you is maybe

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jan 2024 20:46:49 No.1976333 Report

Quoted By: >>1976500 >>1978848

>>1975065
Eat and sleep more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jan 2024 20:56:26 No.1976334 Report

Quoted By: >>1976500

>>1975065
Angry and irritated training means you need more rest. If you keep doing that you may overdo it and bail, which would be bad. Remember, the training causes the adaptation, but you realize adaptation after said training. If you dig yourself into a hole you will need longer rest to come back better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 16:43:02 No.1976500 Report

Quoted By: >>1976503 >>1976511 >>1977964

>>1976333
i'm unironically eating like a pig but i still feel like i don't get enough energy no matter how many calories i get. 7-9 hours of sleep every night though.
>>1976334
its just frusterating because how tf am i burning out on literally low volume. I seem to do okay on the 1 hour rides but anytime on a sunday it tells me to do a 1:30 hour ride of 85-90%, i'm getting irritated with how many times i fail this ride 10-20mins in because i just don't have the juice anymore.

is there anyway to tell trainerroad to chill the fuck out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 17:14:40 No.1976503 Report

Quoted By: >>1976504

>>1976500
If a training plan is telling you to literally ride at 85-90% of your FTP for 90 minutes you should not be doing that training plan because it is retarded. Once again, it's impossible to give you any relevant advice with such little information provided.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 17:25:04 No.1976504 Report

Quoted By: >>1976506 >>1976510

>>1976503
nah it's like 3x intervals of 8 minutes of 85% stuff but fuck man they burn me out pretty fucking hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 17:31:25 No.1976506 Report

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>>1976504
Just do them at lower power. Your FTP isn't some omnipotent magic number, especially if you're a novice and don't have a good aerobic endurance to build upon.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 17:41:46 No.1976507 Report

Quoted By: >>1976509

>>1975065
Threshold training has been challenging for me too. I find I need to be very careful with keeping my cadence even and slightly elevated and mindful of my body position and how I cool off. But some questions: What is your FTP? Did you determine it during training or when you were very fresh? How long have you been doing threshold/interval training? What is your training setup like (smart trainer on erg/PM on dumb trainer/outside)? How do you fuel during your rides? I think successful threshold training is more difficult effort wise than a lot of other workouts but is super rewarding if you can get it done.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 17:45:18 No.1976509 Report

Quoted By: >>1976515 >>1977964

>>1976507
ftp is a secret hehe, determined it during training. trainerroad spiked it up for some odd fucking reason, lowered it a little bit after, i've been at it for 3-4 months, smart trainer, i usually don't fuel desu can't fucking find anything that's easy to eat in the morning and waking up an extra 1 hour is impossible i just want to wake up pre workout go on and ride.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 17:52:50 No.1976510 Report

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>>1976504
Your FTP is set too high. If you struggle to do 8 minutes at 85% just imagine how spectacularly you'd fail at attempting 45-60 minutes at 100%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 18:03:09 No.1976511 Report

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>>1976500
>its just frusterating because how tf am i burning out on literally low volume. I seem to do okay on the 1 hour rides but anytime on a sunday it tells me to do a 1:30 hour ride of 85-90%, i'm getting irritated with how many times i fail this ride 10-20mins in because i just don't have the juice anymore.
I do mostly weight training and it's quite easy to burn out by doing taxing high effort exercises for a "long enough" period. If you can't do that effort your 85-90% is too high. Drop it down to what you can do for 1:30 and work your way up.
Always start a little low and build up. If you are consistent you will reach, and supercede whatever slightly higher number you had over time.
>is there anyway to tell trainerroad to chill the fuck out?
No idea

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jan 2024 18:10:36 No.1976515 Report

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>>1976509
If you're hitting 1.5 hour threshold rides right after you wake up in the morning your body is calling for energy that probably isn't going to be there, not to mention the lack of longer warm-up that needs to happen. If you can give yourself even an extra half hour to digest something and get some light movement in you'll probably see a positive effect. Maybe try shorter, denser rides after some food and stretching?
>can't fucking find anything that's easy to eat in the morning
idk anon try harder? There are a lot of good, tasty breakfast foods out there. Find something you like and make it the night before?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 16:58:58 No.1977904 Report

Quoted By: >>1977919

okay i started eating more but i just feel injured. trainerroad did its ai check....and it raised my FTP despite me failing like 4 workouts in the past 3 weeks.....
what the fuck is up with this app.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 17:43:58 No.1977919 Report

Quoted By: >>1977922

>>1977904
Are you smarter than a fucking robot or not? Lower your FTP if you're struggling to complete workouts you fucking tard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 17:50:53 No.1977922 Report

Quoted By: >>1977932

>>1977919
but why tf would it raise my FTP????? who tf designed this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 18:27:59 No.1977932 Report

Quoted By: >>1977939

>>1977922
Who cares who designed or why it would raise your FTP. Exercise "science" is anything but. Are you going to choose to be retarded and follow it blindly?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 18:57:15 No.1977939 Report

Quoted By: >>1977940

>>1977932
well but WHY though. isn't this shit what professionals use

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Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 18:58:57 No.1977940 Report

Quoted By: >>1977947

>>1977939
No, professionals have coaches, not some shitty one-size-fits-all script. You have already been given the advice you need in this thread, I'm starting to think either you're too stupid to follow it or this is just an entire bait session.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 19:36:30 No.1977947 Report

Quoted By: >>1977951

>>1977940
you idiot of course im gonna lower my ftp im just wondering why tf it decided to make it higher

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 19:51:30 No.1977951 Report

Quoted By: >>1978273

>>1977947
Because it's not setup for how you gain strength, or your mentality.
A coach takes into consideration your past and current training to adjust your future. As a non professional I would always err on the side of smol gains+jumps and go for the long haul since that leads to more consistent results and less burnout.

It made it higher because it's AI. It just uses someones data that isn't necessarily yours to adjust the parameters. Every smart trainer tailors the program to the user. Otherwise you get injured.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Feb 2024 20:22:51 No.1977964 Report

Quoted By: >>1978273

>>1976500
>i'm unironically eating like a pig but i still feel like i don't get enough energy no matter how many calories i get
>>1976509
>i usually don't fuel desu can't fucking find anything that's easy to eat in the morning

you definitely sound like you're trying to train seriously on like 2300 kcal/day. you may very well be burnt out regardless, but if you're gonna roll big kilojoules you're gonna have to figure this out at some point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2024 13:02:31 No.1978273 Report

Quoted By: >>1978844 >>1978847

>>1977964
>>1977951
yeah im cooked, even rides i could've done before im getting mad ticked off and tired 5-10 minutes in. I tried even replacing it with an easy 50% ftp ride and I was just like fuck this. had a way bigger preworkout meal too.

im guessing 1-2 weeks off the bike to recover?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 17:16:57 No.1978844 Report

Quoted By: >>1978847 >>1979769

>>1978273
If you haven't had a week with very little endurance activity for 16 weeks, you should consider taking a few days off at least. If you are doing intense activities more than twice a week you're going to get burnt out and may begin to over train. I've been there and though I was depressed and stopped progressing. Now I take a day off every week, have an easier week every 4 weeks, and do mostly zone 2 with no more than 2 intense days a week. I feel a lot better. Consuming carbs and creatine right after activities seems to help recovery too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 17:56:21 No.1978847 Report

Quoted By: >>1979769

>>1978844
>If you are doing intense activities more than twice a week you're going to get burnt out
I think this is unnecessarily dogmatic as stated, though "two hard sessions a week" is a fairly common approach among people who train a lot

>>1978273
I don't think you gotta get off the bike completely if you don't want to (though if you do, by all means, do.). I'd knock the volume down a good bit, stay away from hard sessions for a week or so, prioritize relaxation and ample sleep, and see how resting HR (if available) and mood and energy responded. Walks in the woods or easy paddles off the beach are nice if available.

>>1978273
>had a way bigger preworkout meal too.
this sort of vagueness (talking about a single meal, too) still makes me think you're getting it wrong somewhere. like a fat girl saying
>i don't know why i'm fat, when i go out with my skinny friend I always eat way less than her
if you can poast, you have the tools to track macros

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Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 18:04:30 No.1978848 Report

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>>1976333
lol no i'll look like a boy again if i eat more

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 03:48:53 No.1979769 Report

Quoted By: >>1979777

>>1978844
>>1978847
Yeah maybe I'll try eating more before. I'm just honestly irritated TR can't get the hint and chill the fuck down for a bit before getting me back to the good shit.

I took a week off and I see my ride for tomorrow and it wants me to do a fucking a VO2 max workout. Like seriously who designed this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 04:58:14 No.1979777 Report

Quoted By: >>1979794 >>1979810

>>1979769
well, you know, you don't have to do what it says, you can just plan your own training

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 11:08:51 No.1979794 Report

Quoted By: >>1979810

>>1979777
We have established he does not have enough brain cells for that kind of autonomy

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Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 13:06:45 No.1979810 Report

Quoted By: >>1979818

>>1979794
i hate you so much you stupid fuck
>>1979777
yeah I know but I'm just wondering who still designed this shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 13:53:48 No.1979818 Report

Quoted By: >>1979836

>>1979810
Try emailing Trainerroad, I think they may have had a hand in designing the training plan you’re using

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 17:20:55 No.1979836 Report

Quoted By: >>1979840

>>1979818
why would they design it like this

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Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 17:29:29 No.1979840 Report

Quoted By: >>1979847

>>1979836
I don’t know, I don’t work for Trainerroad. I don’t think you’ll find anyone who does posting on /n/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 17:45:08 No.1979847 Report

Quoted By: >>1979887

>>1979840
am i the only one that thinks its a little absurd on this board.

also maybe this is a cultural difference but im asking you guys rhetorical questions. i know the answer im just stating it as a question to emulate my frustration and confusion over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2024 22:07:36 No.1979887 Report

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>>1979847
You are not the only one who thinks Trainerroad’s training plans are absurd. I think they’re absurd so I don’t give them any money for a dogshit project. Just buy Joe Friel’s training bible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Feb 2024 03:52:53 No.1979931 Report

Quoted By: >>1979980

I think OP is just an idiot desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Feb 2024 11:03:24 No.1979967 Report

Quoted By: >>1979990

It doesn't matter what hacks you try, any "low volume" training plan will not work. At best your gains will be severely limited. If you want to build endurance you must do the long easy miles, no way around it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Feb 2024 13:57:43 No.1979980 Report

Quoted By: >>1979981

>>1979931
you're an idiot. idiot.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Feb 2024 14:04:10 No.1979981 Report

Quoted By: >>1979986

>>1979980
At least I can do sweet spot efforts loser

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Anonymous Fri 16 Feb 2024 14:29:31 No.1979986 Report

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>>1979981
at least i can bench 3 plates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Feb 2024 14:59:42 No.1979990 Report

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>>1979967
eh, i mean, on one hand, sure, I choose to crush big kilojoules in my own training and arrange my life so I can put that time in
on the other hand, https://www.researchgate.net/profile/R-Shepherd/publication/254225982_Effect_of_training_on_enzyme_activity_and_fiber/links/0c960537cc522451be000000/Effect-of-training-on-enzyme-activity-and-fiber.pdf , and in the long run all gains are severely limited and nothing works forever
>captcha starts with KGW

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O lo'u faleuila lea i le taimi nei.

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இந்த இடம் இப்போது எனது கழிப்பறை.

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