>>4284786not him but he has a point, if you define vices like a white man instead of an asian teenager.
i personally define a vice as something that enslaves you and takes more than it gives. many people just define a vice as anything they were told not to do instead of thinking for themselves.
coffee and tobacco are unconditionally vices because they are dependence forming, time-stealing, and if you don't keep coming back you crash. they start as work aids and become barriers to work and erode your health. but cannabis and alcohol are conditionally vices, depending on your own willpower, constitution, and personal time management. alcohol is dependence forming, but so weakly that most people have an easy time staying on the right side of the line, and cannabis is chemically only habit forming. just keep their use to times of rest, obviously.
given a choice of one or the other i would go with cannabis because it's easier to produce at home for free. easy to start, easy to stop, $0 cost. ok drug.
more extreme and on topic examples:
shooting film is a vice. midwits become intellectually addicted to the empty promise of photographic truth and integrity. in return, they receive lower quality photographs and empty wallets. and yet, you don't see them eager to stop. they're sure their negatives will be important someday, in an insane autistic world where only film will be trusted (2 more weeks).
high end photography gear is a vice. the upgrade cycle never ends for some people but image quality really peaked around 2012 and convenience peaked in 2017 except for incidental straggler brands. little has changed since. people are still praising cinema shot on awful cameras while gearfags clamor for new video features. very little has gotten measurably better.
these things take more than they give and are worse than any chemical. because they enslave a higher part of the brain. reason and delusion.
