Where do you even start for this one? The shallow movepool? Dabbed on by the first 2-3 gyms in home region? The awful hidden ability? Built more tankishly without any of Torterra's uses? Competitively the worst starter out of all of them?
The final form being too bland and similar to Bayleef hurts worst for me, because I never could really appreciate meganium when Bayleef is just better looking overall. Even those who prefer Ivysaur can at least say Venusaur is still well liked by most.
>>53263701If ORAS/HGSS is considered mainline, unfortunately so is BDSP so she was in gen8
