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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:12:21 No.53572332 View View Reply Original Report

Name 3 things you love about newer pokemon games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:14:12 No.53572338 Report

Quoted By: >>53572782 >>53572832 >>53577455

>>53572332
>3 things you love about newer pokemon games.
Nothing
Nada
Zilch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:14:43 No.53572341 Report

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>>53572332
no random encounters
better exploration
better graphics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:15:25 No.53572345 Report

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>>53572332
Pokemon Amie-style interaction with your pokemon
Flavour additions like size differences or your pokemon doing a cry when your opponent faints/switches
Several new pokemon designs and variants

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:16:31 No.53572359 Report

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>>53572332
better exploration
better world building
better graphics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:17:16 No.53572363 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
No random encounter
No useless HM slave
That is all

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:24:13 No.53572407 Report

Quoted By: >>53572689 >>53578207

>>53572332
The ease of relearning moves without heart scales
The ease of getting a pokemon battle ready
No HMs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:32:10 No.53572445 Report

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>>53572332
Improved breeding mechanics
Mostly any Pokemon can be caught in the wild without needing to grind or waste evolution items
Bottle Caps, Mints and Ability Capsules

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:33:29 No.53572455 Report

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Great Tusk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:37:03 No.53572467 Report

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porn
nothing else
whoever say anything else is just delusional

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:38:04 No.53572474 Report

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>>53572332
better QoL
better difficulty
better exploration

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:41:30 No.53572489 Report

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>>53572332
Less linearity
Lots of Pokemon everywhere
Good QoL

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:52:14 No.53572538 Report

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>>53572332
Superior in every respect to gen 4 games
Superior in every respect to gen 5 games
Dynamax and Tera have made some dogshit mons usable for the first time, we live in a timeline where Regirock and Regigigas saw unironic use and that's great

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:54:54 No.53572552 Report

Quoted By: >>53576374

>>53572332
They're new experiences
They don't have shitty pixel or even black-and-white graphics
I don't feel like I'm stuck in the 90s

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 20:59:46 No.53572579 Report

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>>53572332
No random encounters, more diverse encounters in each area
Quality of life features like ability patches and easier ev grind
more options to interact with your pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:04:52 No.53572605 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
I like pokemon appearing in the overworld instead of random Encounters.

I like that HMs have been killed off.

I also like that they have the idea of certain fights can be a little extra, like that guy from arceus.

Things I don't like about new games(that were in older ones)
Hard ass rivals, it was kinda dissappinting that the rivals that was the most battle hungry is likely not even in the top 3 toughest rivals.

Rematches.
You get to fight Penny once. So you only get to hear her awesome theme one time.
That's one example but there are a few times this happens the last few games

Hard mode, I know only one game has done it but I just want it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:09:47 No.53572628 Report

Quoted By: >>53572782 >>53572832

>>53572332
Nothing
Zero
Nada

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:16:48 No.53572654 Report

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>>53572332
Funny Pokemon designs and names.
Greatly improved accessibility to competitive Pokemon.
Delicious lolis

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:19:55 No.53572663 Report

Quoted By: >>53572759

The Online Multiplayer features are SIGNIFICANTLY more fun and engaging than in NDS days
The 3D era animations means we get a lot more personality out of monsters and characters and we don't have to wait for the anime to show us "their deal"
Switch games in particular allowing me to make different save files so I can do random shit is also rather nice

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Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:24:15 No.53572683 Report

Quoted By: >>53572740 >>53573102

>>53572332
I haven't played any new games past X/Y. Still waiting for a real game with love, skill and effort put into it. Breaks my brain trying to understand why I'd waste time on half-assed, annual-ish, assembly line garbage just because it's a brand I recognize. I like Pokémon but why should I feel obligated to eat every rotten scrap GS and Nintendo slaps a fancy sticker on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:24:35 No.53572684 Report

Quoted By: >>53572782 >>53572832

>>53572332
>I’m not playing them
>read the above
>there are better games to play

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:25:48 No.53572689 Report

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>>53572407
This. It has never been easier to play Pokemon at a competitive level, but at the same time there really isn't much point on playing on a cart when Showdown is a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:26:46 No.53572695 Report

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>>53572332
Regional forms/evos
Size differences
Overworld encounters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:30:32 No.53572716 Report

Quoted By: >>53572782 >>53572832

>>53572332
zip
zilch
nada

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:35:40 No.53572740 Report

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>>53572683
CERTIFIED BASED POST

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:37:14 No.53572749 Report

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>>53572332
Convenience of EV training
The good music tracks are still very good
Character designs are still, for the most part, very nice (exclude SV from this one)
I honestly struggled to come up with things I love from the newer garbage of Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:38:50 No.53572759 Report

Quoted By: >>53575919

>>53572663
>The 3D era animations means we get a lot more personality out of monsters
we do? i guess in SV they do fun animations but XY-SwSh they've been low-saturated statues that barely moved at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:42:18 No.53572782 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
>the legendaries
>no HMs
>overworld encounters

>>53572338
>>53572628
>>53572716
>>53572684
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:43:41 No.53572791 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
Paldea pokémon design
No HM
XS-XL Candies

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:49:51 No.53572819 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
>Pokemon availability
Growing up with Gen 1 and 2, the fact that you can now make a team of 6 random bitches from 39 generations is pretty cool even when they're shitmons.

>No HM
Not missing HM slaves.

>Online Trading and Multiplayer
It's such a better experience than what it used to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:52:02 No.53572832 Report

Quoted By: >>53572855 >>53574480

>>53572338
>>53572628
>>53572684
>>53572716
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dH5FE_gqJ5I

Please let's keep this thread positive. There are plenty of other hate threads on this board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:55:19 No.53572845 Report

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>>53572332
The girls
The women
The femboys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 21:57:26 No.53572855 Report

Quoted By: >>53572883

>>53572832
I love pokemon which is why I hate the switch games for not having all of them. Even you can understand something so simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 22:05:43 No.53572883 Report

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>>53572855
Thank you for your negative thoughts. You can share them in another thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 22:19:04 No.53572943 Report

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>>53572883
I'm full of positive thoughts. You posted a video that said to talk about what you love and keep quiet about what you don't. I'll keep quiet about the switch games but I'll talk about the rest. Did you know that in FRLG your pokemon get closer to the screen when their friendship is higher and you use an item like a potion on them? Happy thoughts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 22:29:31 No.53573001 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
>EXP share gets rid of the worst part of Pokemon, grinding
>Easier to find pokemon you like with stuff like the pokeradar or whatever got added back in ORAS
>HMs are a thing of the past

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 22:38:33 No.53573058 Report

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>>53572332
>Lots of QoL stuff
>No random encounters
>Really expressively animated characters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 22:48:13 No.53573102 Report

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>>53572683
>Still waiting for a real game with love, skill and effort put into it.
Yet you love gens without any of those things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 22:50:38 No.53573107 Report

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>>53572332
Charmander, Charmeleon and CHARIZARD

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Apr 2023 22:52:02 No.53573115 Report

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>>53572332
Bae
Iono
Scald effectively being removed, doing more work to remove uncompetitive elements from the game than Smogon has done for decades.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 03:36:35 No.53574229 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
>No HM's
>Freedom to use which Pokemon I want due to lack of HM's
>Regional forms

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 04:08:47 No.53574370 Report

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Pokémon HOME is genuinely a good hub app and the ability to trade with people from your phone is taken way too lightly. I have traded with random people I have met in public at conventions and game stores because of it. Sucks we have to wait six months after a game launches to get it.
Marks incentivize catching Pokémon over again and give you a nice reward for doing so, with some mark combinations making a lot of sense for a specific Pokémon. Mark + shiny hunting also is something that hasn't really taken off much yet because of how ridiculous it is, but someone out there probably does it.
Battle Competitions and competitive seasons are fun and actually give people a reason to battle on cart since a lot of them have rewards.
Bonus point: multiplayer has never been easier

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 04:27:53 No.53574472 Report

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>>53572332
Pokémon was never good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 04:29:25 No.53574480 Report

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>>53572832
>>53572332
The designs
The girls
The Porn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIFv-14JHk4

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 05:48:36 No.53574797 Report

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>>53572332
Actually bonding with your plot-relevant Legendary
No more stupid random encounters
An actually cool final area and decent final battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 10:02:55 No.53575348 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
>Bottle Caps
>Ability Capsules/Patches
>Natures Mints
These items ensure that every pokemon is viable now.
Allowing us to fix their shit IVs, shit ability, and shit nature.

>No HM slaves
Finally. I don't have to waste 2 or 3 slots in my party just for HM bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 10:05:39 No.53575359 Report

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>I can explore with my wife
>The little idle Pokémon animations, like falling asleep under trees, insects hanging from branches, the things that make the world feel alive
>The aesthetic of the towns and cities, with the little bits of decoration and world building that make it feel like it's really been considered

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 10:06:50 No.53575362 Report

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>>53572332
All the games from SM to Legends had great waifus. I was gonna say the waifus but then gen 9 just HAD to ruin even that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 10:26:27 No.53575406 Report

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QoL Improvements (relearning moves, egg moves, mints, hyper training, etc.)
Tera mechanic being far superior to play with and against compared to the previous two gen gimmicks
The "roadblocks" can be bypassed easily (Koraidon/Miraidon jumping backwards on an upward slope for example) and there's no need for HMs in the way

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 10:29:38 No.53575412 Report

Quoted By: >>53575420

>>53572332
I love how PLA made speed not the god stat and priority moves even better.
I love how you can just capture pokemon in PLA without all the rigamarole of the transitions and whatnot.
I love how Mirror Herb makes breeding egg moves super easy. Especially in terms of trying for ones that need to be chained, like Tickle on Azumarill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 10:35:38 No.53575420 Report

Quoted By: >>53578830

>>53575412
Speed hasn't been the god stat since Gen 1 where it effected crits and OHKO's. It always has heavy diminishing returns as well as needing something else to back it up to matter in the slightest. If you're faster than your opponent, you're faster. It doesn't matter how much faster you are. You can be 1 point faster and that's all that matters. But going first doesn't mean jack or shit if you can't utilize going first to kill your opponent before they kill you.

Then again you also think priority being even stronger is a good thing so maybe you're just retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 10:44:32 No.53575435 Report

Quoted By: >>53575467

>>53572332
I don't need to play them.
I don't need to buy them.
I don't need to acknowledge their existence.

Sun Moon was perfect closure to Pokemon franchise and did everything I needed from "the last" Pokemon game. Everything after that is unnecessary shovelware.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 10:59:06 No.53575461 Report

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Espurr
Meowstick Male
Meowstick Female

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 11:01:54 No.53575467 Report

Quoted By: >>53576167 >>53577481

>>53575435
I keep forgetting Sun and Moon were the 20th anniversary games because they were so fundamentally awful and went against everything I liked about Pokémon. They're the definition of
>Kanto pandering
>Tourist trap region
>Bizarre art direction
>Intrusive story
>Obscene railroading and linearity

Because when I played Gen I-IV, I totally thought that the natural progression of the series would be a Hawaii hallway simulator with blandly written characters and silly dance numbers that hyperfocused on empty references to the first games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 13:23:48 No.53575885 Report

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>>53572332
I love that they've become so shit that I no longer spend money to play them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 13:29:37 No.53575903 Report

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>made me realize how shitty the franchise is
>gave me a firm valid reason to keep my $90
>made me realize the fanbase is also shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 13:33:38 No.53575911 Report

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>>53572332
How new? And do they have to be standardized features, or just one-offs?
I like the manual evolution in PLA, and the ability to turn the nickname prompt off.

Ken sugimori

Ken sugimori Tue 04 Apr 2023 13:33:56 No.53575912 Report

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>The fact that they can put me to
sleep
>It's something easy to laugh at
>It gives me motivation to make fan
games

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 13:36:10 No.53575919 Report

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>>53572759
You are flat out lying anon, either lying or so autistically involved in /vp/ shitposting that it has ruined your ability to be objective. You don't need to like GF's animations to be able to tell they're still significantly more characterful than "Monster is just standing there lightly tweening it's arms, or rather, not doing anything at all" from the 2D games

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 13:53:46 No.53575998 Report

Quoted By: >>53576026

- Overworld/PokeMonAmie-style interactions with your Pokémon

- Character customization (despite SV's awful take on it)

- Easily accessible items and methods to change any Pokémon's nature, stats, ability and moves. As well as how no longer need to grind for hours to raise a Pokémon to level 100 thanks to candies.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 13:57:42 No.53576025 Report

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Klara
Serena
Drasna

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 13:58:02 No.53576026 Report

Quoted By: >>53576322

>>53575998
SV's character customization is only held back by the lack of outfits. The rest of it is a step up from prior games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 14:22:32 No.53576167 Report

Quoted By: >>53577223

>>53575467
> Because when I played Gen I-IV, I totally thought that the natural progression of the series would be a hallway simulator with blandly written characters that hyperfocused on empty references to the first games
this but unironically
you fucktards cock suck gen 4 which is nothing but gen 1 but more linear, more hollow characters, retarded forced cutscenes, and constant forced gen 1 references, so it was obvious the series was going to keep going that direction

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 15:04:06 No.53576322 Report

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>>53576026
Agreed, I meant in terms of clothes.
Though I'm not very into the change of art style.
I preferred it being closer to the artworks' art style. Especially for some things like the hair textures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 15:17:14 No.53576374 Report

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>>53572552
Those are all BAD things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 15:39:25 No.53576481 Report

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>>53572332
>PvP balance is the best it's ever been, and continues to improve with each gen.
>The music is still quite good most of the time.
>The ranking and tier system online is competent, which, compared to things like GSP in Smash, makes Pokemon Nintendo's best online game competitively

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 15:45:36 No.53576511 Report

Quoted By: >>53577570

>>53572332
Double battles
Physical/Special split
Abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 18:10:58 No.53577223 Report

Quoted By: >>53577447

>>53576167
Gen IV feels like it references Gen II far more than Gen I. Even Oak appearing in the post-game feels like it's referencing his Gen II appearance rather than his Gen I appearance just by Gen II and IV being concurrent and it being a post-Gen I appearance. The gold and silver Poké Ball logo on the Pokémon Center floor, the Park Balls being gold and silver with a crystal lining, the Red Gyarados report at the start of the game, the Secret Potion to help the Psyduck, Jasmine appearing in Sunyshore City, the greater focus on new evolutions and babies for pre-existing Pokémon, the return and expansion of time-based mechanics and visuals, all the online features from Crystal to the point there are in-game events, etc. Gen IV just follows on from Gen II. At the same time you get the return of Contests, growing berries, Abilities/Natures/IVs, and room decoration (though the concept dates back to Gen II's room).

I'm actually struggling to think of hard Gen I references in IV beyond some of the Pokémon, but even using Pokémon as a measurement is weak because Gen IV is only missing
>Gen I: 15/151 (11/151 with Platinum)
>Gen II: 15/100
>Gen III: 19/135 (16/135 with Platinum)
>Gen IV: 1/107 (0/107 with Platinum)

Compared to Hoenn which was missing
>Gen I: 104/151 (100/151 with Emerald)
>Gen II: 80/100 (39/100 with Emerald)
>Gen III: 2/135 (1/135 with Emerald)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 18:51:45 No.53577447 Report

Quoted By: >>53577884 >>53578738

>>53577223
And just because I feel compelled to since they're stats
Gen I is missing
>Gen I: 1/151
Gen II is missing
>Gen I: 18/151
>Gen II: 1/100 (0/100 in Crystal)
HGSS is missing
>Gen I: 1/151
>Gen II: 1/100
>Gen III: 5/135
>Gen IV: 33/107
What I mean by "missing" is that the games have no methods to obtain these Pokémon outside of glitches, trading outside their "group" (ie. GSC with Gen I, RSE with FRLG, Gen III with the Orre games, Gen IV with Gen III, DPPt with HGSS, etc.), or plain distributions. Basically these were Pokémon that were not included in the standard game and were relegated to a method that can apply to literally any other Pokémon, there's nothing special or thought-out about obtaining them. In-game events, Regigigas, and trade evolutions are fine though.

Gen I is missing Mew (distribution)
Gen II is missing Gen I starters, fossils (minus Aerodactyl), Legendaries, and Celebi (distribution). Crystal adds Celebi as an in-game event.
Sinnoh is missing previous starters, Legendaries, Tangela/Tangrowth, and Tropius. Platinum adds the Legendary birds, Regis, Tangela/Tangrowth, and Tropius. But I forgot Tropius in my original statistic for Sinnoh so
>Gen III: 20/135 (16/135 with Platinum)
Hoenn is missing a fuckton of Pokémon that can't be easily summarized. Emerald adds Deoxys to Hoenn, Meowth/Persian, Ditto, and Mew to Gen I, Smeargle, Sudowoodo, Ho-Oh/Lugia, the Johto starters, and 28 more Gen II Pokémon in the Safari Zone.

And off the top of my head for HGSS + Pokéwalker, it's missing
>Mythicals (7) barring Manaphy/Phione which count as a unique experience
>Hoenn Regis (3)
>Sinnoh starters (9)
>Sinnoh fossils (4)
>Sinnoh location-based evolutions (4)
>Sinnoh lower Legendaries (6)
>Glameow line, Stunky line, Drifloon line, and Rotom (7)

Final numbers
RG: 150/151
GS: 232/251, GSC: 233/251
RS: 200/386, RSE: 246/386
DP: 442/493, DPPt: 451/493
HGSS: 453/493

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 18:54:07 No.53577455 Report

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>>53572338
Poetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 18:59:49 No.53577481 Report

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>>53575467
Reminder that obsessive Kanto pandering was a reaction to people throwing a hissyfit when Black and White made people use the new mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 19:04:01 No.53577517 Report

Quoted By: >>53578207

>>53572332
Dunno what you consider newer but:
No HMs and HM slaves.
Default EXP share.
More open world.
Removal of random encounters.
Ability to see shinies without starting a battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 19:11:53 No.53577570 Report

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>>53576511
Anon those things are from gens 3 and 4. 9 just came out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 20:03:29 No.53577884 Report

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>>53577447
Forgot FRLG. Missing
>Gen I: 1/151
>Gen II: 25/100
>Gen III: 132/135

Final numbers
RG: 150/151

GS: 232/251, GSC: 233/251
Gen I + II: 250/251

RS: 200/386, RSE: 246/386
FRLG: 225/386
RSE + FRLG: 384/386

DP: 442/493, DPPt: 451/493
HGSS: 453/493
DPPt + HGSS: 489/493

Gen I is missing Mew
Gen II with backwards compatibility is missing Mew
Gen III is missing Celebi and Jirachi
Gen IV is missing Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, and Deoxys

I'm counting Manaphy and Phione for Gen IV but not Celebi (from the Japanese Colosseum bonus disc) because all Gen IV games have the special Manaphy egg, specially connect to Ranger, and can breed Manaphy to get Phione. There's prior intent, Ranger was out before DP. Celebi has nothing special going for it in any Gen III game, it's essentially a distribution from a spin-off game on another console released a year after RS, it could have been any Pokémon. Which is why instead of Celebi, North America gets Jirachi. I feel it would be like counting Mew from My Pokémon Ranch for DPPt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:04:14 No.53578207 Report

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>>53572363
>>53572407
>>53572605
>>53572782
>>53572791
>>53572819
>>53573001
>>53574229
>>53575348
>>53577517
>everyone shitting on HMs
Obviously their implementation was handled pretty poorly, but I always liked the concept of a pokemon's utility out of battle being important as well. Axing them completely in favor of stupid shit like ride pokemon was a bonehead move and threw the baby out with the bathwater. A much more elegant solution would be needing a pokemon that is capable of using an HM in the party, but not having to waste an actual move slot. That way you still have to somewhat plan your team around overworld traversal, and your pokemon have something to do out of battle, without having to lose a move to fucking rock smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:06:43 No.53578221 Report

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>>53578207
No. Fuck you. HMs are SHIT and I'm glad they're gone

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:10:21 No.53578242 Report

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>>53578207
they needed to go all in on it. make even more moves and abilities with out-of-battle effects, just keep the ones required for overworld traversal to a minimum. 5 at most.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:11:09 No.53578250 Report

Quoted By: >>53578430

>>53578207
needing a lv2 shitmon on your team just to click A in front of an obstacle isn't engaging gameplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:12:10 No.53578263 Report

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>>53572332
it's funny how you can tell just by looking into a celebrity's eyes how many babies they've eaten

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:37:15 No.53578428 Report

Quoted By: >>53578439

The obvious way to fix HM's was just not have them take up a move slot. If your Absol can learn Cut, he can always use it in the field without having to actually learn it as long as you have the HM and required Badge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:37:42 No.53578430 Report

Quoted By: >>53578439

>>53578250
He's 100% right. Let's be real here, Pokémon are all interchangeable in the single-player. They all do the exact same shit. Trying to do a party of 6 different Pokémon based around type advantage and equal leveling and all that shit is gimping yourself for the sake of pretending you're in Pokémon World. The optimal way to play will always be to overlevel 1 Pokémon and mash A to win. You will never see a speedrun attempt to create a party of 6 because it's suboptimal busywork. You may not like it, but it's true. However, you will see a speedrun catch additional Pokémon for HMs. If someone is trying to catch every Pokémon, it's optimal to catch Pokémon that do have specific traits. Maybe you want a Volt Tackle Pikachu. Get a Pokémon with Static and Thief in front of your party to raise the encounter rate of wild Pikachu in the area, or even switch Static for Compound Eyes for a higher rate of items. Moves like Hypnosis, Mean Look, False Swipe, and Endeavor all become highly useful.

The more Game Freak removes utility from Pokémon, the less I care about using anything. At that point the game is purely aesthetic because nothing you do in it matters or achieves anything that any other Pokémon can't already do.

Also there's no point in even having obstacles if you have a key to unlock them available at any given time. That's like making every door a required text interaction (Open door? YES/NO) instead of just something you can walk into. At least with a key that has a limiting factor on it, player's choosing to bring that limiting key to get optional rewards endows a sense of agency.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:39:26 No.53578439 Report

Quoted By: >>53578478

>>53578428
>The obvious way to fix HM's was just not have them take up a move slot.
Move slots aren't the problem with HMs. Being forced to use keep specific Pokemon in your party just to do menial shit is the problem.

>>53578430
>Also there's no point in even having obstacles if you have a key to unlock them available at any given time
You're right, the level design in every single Metroidvania ever is pointless because I don't have to backtrack to the save point to equip the Ice Missiles every time I find an obstacle that requires using them.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:45:31 No.53578469 Report

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Teras are nice and i think they're a good way to add more layers to strategy. I just wish we still had Megas as well. One day I'd just like all the gimmicks to be available to us. Why bother having an Adamant/Jolly Charizard anymore if no more Mega-Charizard-X?

easier to make a pokemon battle ready. There's way more pokemon in the game now, imagine just starting to get into the competitive side of things and everyones already got a full arsenal of ubers etc.

Easier shinies. I know this stance can split people right down the middle but shinies are still meaningful and cool, and if you're trying to collect them all as shinies it'll still take probably a decade+ but at least you can

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:47:24 No.53578478 Report

Quoted By: >>53578501

>>53578439
You have finite missiles, you are making a sacrifice to open those doors. If you had infinite resources there would be no point in even having it blocked, it's just a pointless barrier that's there to waste your time. You need some level of sacrifice on the player's end. It's risk and return. Pokémon has continually reduced risk and doubled down on return to the point it treats you like a god and rewards you heavily for doing the most basic tasks. It treats players like babies who get excited for jingly keys, like it's enough to just be given a thing for it to be good. Pikachu is good because it's Pikachu, Pokémon is good because they're Pokémon, if the game tells me I'm the greatest it must be true and I feel the greatest.

Pokémon fans are fucking retarded sheeple who regurgitate the same exact thoughts over and over again. Do you know how many say "Pokémon has, ironically, failed to evolve"? It's so braindead, it lacks any thought. It's the same shit with "Ooh, HMs are bad" because you never actually elaborate on your thoughts. It's just a base impulse of "Ungh, inconvenience... BAD!" and nothing more.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 21:51:33 No.53578501 Report

Quoted By: >>53578542

>>53578478
>You have finite missiles,
not really, considering I can refill them for free immediately after.

>If you had infinite resources there would be no point in even having it blocked
so all the beam based obstacles or the obstacles that require screw attack are pointless? Wow, I hope you never design a game in your life.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:00:02 No.53578542 Report

Quoted By: >>53578664

>>53578501
Not that I've played much Metroid beyond some of the original, but there is risk in not being able to open a door in a room with enemies, especially in the early game when you're low on health. You get more gear, you get stronger, you take on harder enemies, you're able to reach new areas with your new gear, there are even secret areas that rely on players picking up on pattern recognition and figuring out which section to break through. It's not too different from the original Zelda when you come across the one lake that seemingly doesn't have anything while remembering that there tends to be an entrance on every screen, whether that's a bombable wall or burnable tree or dungeon. But like bombs in Zelda, certain resources in Metroid are limited. There are some things you can use infinitely, but others that you can run out of and have to use sparingly, like missiles which share the utility of being useful against enemies and being able to blow open specific entrances.

If missiles were infinite there would be no point in having pick-ups for them in hidden rooms.

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>>53572332
Serena
Lillie
Mallow

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:24:50 No.53578664 Report

Quoted By: >>53578791

>>53578542
>but there is risk in not being able to open a door in a room with enemies, especially in the early game when you're low on health
Ok, then there is risk in non-HM obstacles because they're blocking trainers who are higher levels than you. Glad we agree HMs are pointless.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:33:38 No.53578713 Report

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>>53572332
depends on the definiton of "new games"
3DS games included?
I enjoyed USUM a lot as well as ORAS
only switch games?
uuuuuuhhhhh pokemon having varying sizes in SV is cool i guess? i got nothing else

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:37:21 No.53578738 Report

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>>53577447
>(0/100 in Crystal)
Only in VC Crystal.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:47:29 No.53578791 Report

Quoted By: >>53578820

>>53578664
Trainers that can be avoided, but those Trainer battles that are hidden behind HMs are generally worthwhile since they use rarer Pokémon. Take the Dragon Tamer on Route 209 who requires Rock Climb to reach. He has a Gible which you likely have not seen by that point if you don't know where they're found. This adds it to your Pokédex, shows you where to find it, and helps you with completion of the Sinnoh Pokédex so you can unlock the National Pokédex and most of the post-game.

Pokémon fans go
>But I don't want to backtrack
>But I don't want to use game mechanics
>But that Pokémon doesn't count because it's not a common encounter on a mandatory route
>But that Pokémon doesn't count because it didn't debut in this Gen
What Pokémon fans want is all new Pokémon available ASAP with as little hassle as possible and to be easily trained up and maxed out. They want all the benefits of what's behind those locked doors without any of the inconvenience in unlocking it. Pokémon's biggest appeal, the actual searching, discovery, and interaction with the world is the part that modern Pokémon fans hate. All they want is a game where they can live out their fantasy of being Ash with their friends, shouldermon, and set team. That or they want the games to be an esport and don't actually care about the single-player elements at all because they think single-player is just about the battling.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:48:56 No.53578799 Report

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>>53572332
Not having to level up your team one Pokémon at a time

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:49:30 No.53578803 Report

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>>53572332
No more random encounters.
Actual ability to manipulate EVs/IVs without grinding.
Good music.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:52:03 No.53578820 Report

Quoted By: >>53578898

>>53578791
I'm going to preface this post by saying I haven't read the entire reply chain, but I think a better comparison is how Sinnoh has a ton of items hidden behind random cut trees near the end of the game. In BDSP, the trees might as well not be there because they're nothing but a button press away.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:54:14 No.53578830 Report

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>>53575420
Priority requires a sacrifice. Most priority moves aren't very strong, even when boosted by abilities.
Speed itself is the most consequential stat in the game. One point of speed means more than one point of any other stat.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 23:05:55 No.53578898 Report

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>>53578820
That's the point I'm trying to make. If you always have a key for opening a door on you at any given time with zero inconvenience, there is no point in even having that door anymore. It just becomes a pointless interaction for a free reward. The series doesn't do anything to make me feel like I should play with a strategic team of six, since all six feel like they do they exact same thing. I guess if people really want to roleplay that they're in the anime or whatever, but I don't. I like the discovery aspect of Pokémon, that's the only thing it did uniquely and well, I couldn't care less if I'm using a blue duck or green monkey because they do the same thing. What gets me excited is actual in-game utility. Like a Pokémon with Yawn at an early stage of the game makes for easier catching. HMs are part of that utility for me because I make the choice to have those Pokémon on my team so I can better explore the world and discover its secrets. By giving everyone that functionality at no cost, I no longer have agency. We all get the participation prize regardless of what we do. Everyone's a winner which means nobody wins. You're not doing better than anyone else.

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Anonymous Tue 04 Apr 2023 23:53:28 No.53579187 Report

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>>53572332
>Floragato
>middle one
>Meowscarada
EZ

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