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i only watch holos because every indie i come across has something insanely cringe that make me turn off the stream and its usually the weird in-jokes or regurgitating old memes over and over again
hololive reminds me of the good old days of LPers of which a good chunk of even flesh streamers still follow but for some reason you get to indie vtubing and they are not even a tenth as good or enjoyable to watch as those current flesh streamers because they have to add something random and stupid and quirky but it stops being fun or unique when 80% of the ones you can find are twitch are doing that exact thing